[gobolinux-users] LiveCD proposal: Use a windows folder to store information

magnus joh magnusjjj at gmail.com
Thu Nov 23 20:28:38 UTC 2006

Ahem. This would ALSO be great for other file systems, eg, those without the
extra unix permissions or similar. Also, the same file, or a similar file,
could be used for extra information about files. Sounds.. Good and bad in an
odd mix. I like the sound of it as long as it doesnt screw anything up ;)

2006/11/23, Martin Baldan <martinobal at gmail.com>:
> Hi, Andy (and also Rafael)
> On 11/23/06, Andy Feldman <nereusren at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > That's a really neat idea, and I'd love to see it happen, if it's
> > feasible. Is there a particular reason you actually want the file
> > structure to be in NTFS, rather than just using a single disk image? I
> > don't think "being able to edit Gobo files from Windows" is a very
> > useful feature, although I guess it might let you recover a busted
> > install without using a LiveCD.
> Let's begin with the intended features: It should give you a true linux
> system, with full linux security, with access to some directories where you
> can put your stuff (documents, photos, etc) while being able to view and
> edit them both under linux and under windows. It's not essential to access
> your linux config files from windows, I agree, just your personal files.
> The problem I see with the disk image is as follows (but I may well be
> wrong!):
> If you store your personal files in the disk image, you can't access them
> from windows as easily. You need  virtualization software, right? For
> instance, if you created a .doc file under linux with OpenOffice, you can't
> read or edit it directly in Windows with  Ms Word. You would need a virtual
> machine and a virtual network connection.. that's a bit awkward, besides
> slow and fragile, isn't it.?
> You could think of using the disk image for system files only, and a
> Windows directory for your personal files, but it doesn't work, I think,
> because in order to edit files in this directory you would have to mount the
> real hard disk as "rw", and regular users could then destroy your system
> files, because they are in the disk image file, inside the  real hard disk,
> and the image is a NTFS file, without Unix file permissions, so you lose
> Linux security.
> I propose the following:
> A kernel patch that lets the kernel pick the NTFS directory structure,
> then find a configuration file with all the missing info about file
> permissions, about which files are symlinks and all that, and then treat
> NTFS files as if they had this info, transparently. The kernel looks into
> the configuration file each time it has to check a file's permissions, and
> before it accesses a file, to find out whether it is a symlink and where it
> points to. The symlink destination could be stored either in the
> configuration file or in the "symlink file" itself, as regular text (I dunno
> which approach would be better). The kernel changes file permissions by
> editing the configuration file, and it creates symlinks by creating text
> files and then editing the configuration file.
> IF this can be done transparently for applications, it might be a good way
> to promote Gobolinux. Otherwise, I agree it's not worth the trouble.
> Anyway, that's an interesting feature suggestion. If it was
> > implemented, I would definitely burn some Gobo discs and get my
> > friends to try it. The main thing stopping me now is that I don't want
> > to mess up their system by partitioning... I've had bad luck with
> > that.
> It could also be useful for seasoned users. For instance, let's say your
> computer breaks and a friend lets you use his/hers. Obviously you would let
> their windows installation alone, but you could use Linux this way. It
> wouldn't be just a demo, but a real Linux system, only that you have to use
> a boot disk.
> Martin O.B.
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