[gobolinux-users] A few uneasy questions...

[Jonas Karlsson]

2007/2/27, pp_o2 <pp_o2 at o2.pl>:
> On Tuesday February 27, 2007 11:11, Jonas Karlsson wrote:
> > > > a) where is cron?
> > At least there's a recipe for dcron.
> I've found it. But it doesn't allow users to run their own crontab -e!!!
> You can set users cron only from root. This feature is highly misleading for a
> new Gobo user if he just stepped in to the Gobo yard from other Linux distro.
>
> GoboLinux HAS to HAVE full feature cron daemon. Gobo is for experienced users

What do you mean? I have no problems with dcron on my system. All
users can run crontab -e and edit their own table. Have you tried it
on GoboLinux?

Perhaps I made a hack after I installed dcron, but not that I'm aware
of (it was some time ago I installed it).

> (that's my opinion) and I won't use KDE Alarm shit to perform admin tasks. I
> tested it recently and nearly gone crazy for what it has been doing with some
> tasks e.g saving radio streams.
>
> How could you imagine Unix without cron I really don't know. :-)
>
I don't.

> > As for no packages in the contrib store, there's a simple answer: no
> > packages have been submitted yet, that are compatible with the new
> > version of glibc that's shipped with GoboLinux 013. For those that
> > still use the old glibc (2.3.x) the packages can be found in the
> > "packages.old" directory on the mirrors.
>
> This information should be imprinted with BIG letters on a proper page if such
> will come into being.
>
> > > We do that, and then mirrors take these changes through rsync. Again,
> > > due to some problem that was not happening. I'm not able to check out
> > > all mirrors right now, but I'd appreciate if someone else could take
> > > the time to check which mirrors are broken, etc.
>
> I was not for checking mirrors. I was for correct and valid information on
> GoboWiki pages.
>
Could you elaborate a bit. Are you requesting that recipes and
packages should be on the same page?

> > > > GenRecipeStore: Unable to create
> > >
> > > This script has been replaced by PackRecipe instead, which is
> > > automatically called every time a new recipe is compiled. The
> > > documentation is probably out of date because there isn't too much
> > > people contributing to the wiki. We're really very bad on the number
> > > of active people doing some real work. Sad but true.
> >
> > Maybe we should have a wiki drive soon again?
>
> Wiki needs total revamp. It's bloated and full of academic texts. Some texts
> are old or too old, some are too talkative or narrated. Who has the time to
> read it to the end only to find out he's no more enlightened then at the
> beginning.
>
Agreed. The biggest problem isn't that information is out of date.
More that too many pages that are out of date (and totally wrong most
of the time) still exist, while there are pages more up to date
covering the same topic.

> > > > I've come here to salient point - why GoboLinux has such small
> > > > user/contribution base? Despite the very good idea which brought
> > > > GoboLinux into day light.
> > >
> > > I don't know. Sometimes I think people are just lazy, or aren't really
> > > very commited on helping, or just don't have enough time/interest to
> > > dedicate to this project.
>
> In my opinion that's not the correct answer. Learning Gobo intrinsic structure
> takes too long due to the lack of succinct documentation. I've read some of
> your texts "from first pages" so I can say - they are of no use for new
> users. Only makes the subject less understandable The texts should explain in
> short note what, why, where, and when. If one would like to broaden ones
> knowledge some links should lead him as an option to a "vault of wisdom".
>
Well, GoboLinux is still somewhat of an experiment imo. Agreed that
texts are too academic, but noone has aimed at writing docs for new
users, more to write documentation that describe GoboLinux' functions.
We need more user oriented documentation, that I agree on.

> > One of the problems I see is that GoboLinux looks like a userfriendly
> > distribution, as it has a directory tree that's easy to understand to
> > people not used to *nix. However GoboLinux is closer to Linux From
> > Scratch, which is a hardcore linux "distro". At the same time many
> > hardcore users have a hard time gettin along with a distro not using
> > fhs. THerefore the target group is missed and many users we get become
> > disapointed that GoboLinux is so imature/hard to learn.
>
> Yes, but shouldn't the point be taken into consideration right now until Gobo
> will be too complex to easily change anything in terms of documentation or
> internal structure? The earlier this aspect of GoboLinux is administered and
> revamped (if you say it should be) the sooner less people will leave the distro
> deeply disapointed.
>
Revamped? In what way. Documentation needs improvement, agreed. But as
GoboLinux is somewhat experimental, it is very fastmoving and
therefore also very hard to have updated documentation, with the
manpower we have - and I don't want to slow down the development.

-- 
/Jonas