[gobolinux-users] A few uneasy questions...

[Jonas Karlsson]

2007/2/27, pp_o2 <pp_o2 at o2.pl>:
> On Tuesday February 27, 2007 12:39, Jonas Karlsson wrote:
> > > GoboLinux HAS to HAVE full feature cron daemon. Gobo is for
> > > experienced users
> >
> > What do you mean? I have no problems with dcron on my system. All
> > users can run crontab -e and edit their own table. Have you tried it
> > on GoboLinux?
>
> Hi,
> Are you Messieur Provocateur or a little bit ofensive? Irked?
> Your last question suggest that you assumed I did not know what I did.
> It isn't a good starting point for a disscusion. Anyway I'll try to be
> nice.
>
Well, as I got it (dcron) to work on my machine, even when I created a
completly new user, without any privileges, I had to start somewhere.

> "Man cron" will tell you more than I. I couldn't save .../crontab/pp
> file from my account. When I run sudo su I could. An only then invoking
> crontab -e pp.
>
Dcron will let you have one table for each user, but not let the users
decide the name (or location) of the file. If I run, like you did:

]crontab -e dd
crontab: only the superuser may specify a user

I also get an error as you can see. But if I drop the 'dd' string I
can edit the current users crontab.

> > > How could you imagine Unix without cron I really don't know. :-)
> >
> > I don't.
> That "you" was to all of Gobo developers. :-) Anyway I HAD to install
> the Dcron (cron) it wasn't inserted into the system.
>
We've had the discussion up, but we didn't settle for one
implementation. Perhaps we need to rethink and settle with one
implementation of cron (and preferably 'at' as well) and include that
on the CD (and as a package).

> > > I was not for checking mirrors. I was for correct and valid
> > > information on GoboWiki pages.
> >
> > Could you elaborate a bit. Are you requesting that recipes and
> > packages should be on the same page?
>
> Simply speaking I do not care if this or that admin forgot to rsync any
> mirror. I only demand of you that all links placed on GoboWiki pages
> pointed to valid (that is not empty) repositories. Information MUST be
> correct and updated.
>
The repositories are valid (and empty). There's nothing more to say
about that. Dor new users that should be enough and old users (those
that actually are affected) should know why the repositories are
empty. That information is correct afaic.

> The search engines on Recipe and Package pages are for dummies. If I
> want to know what applications I can expect from a distro I quickly
> look into ftp sites. Don't force me to use a toy.
>
Ok, there's no link on the recipe page, but I think you are
overreacting as you got plenty of information on how to find binary
packages, on the packages page. You got the links to all the
repositories, a search form and a rsync URI.

> It seems to me that some of you never heard about ergonomics.
>
We do, but there's actually no time for that. It's downprioritized. If
you believe you can contribute, we would be very happy.

> A few words about your question. I don't care if you create one page for
> Recepes and another for Packages like the ones at present or put them
> together. I only want to have ALL information with ALL links to
> repositories, and ALL links to whatever should be on the pages in
> relation to the two subjects.
>
As I said, the package page has all that. So it's the recipe page that
need updating then.

> > > Yes, but shouldn't the point be taken into consideration right now
> > > until Gobo will be too complex to easily change anything in terms
> > > of documentation or internal structure? The earlier this aspect of
> > > GoboLinux is administered and revamped (if you say it should be)
> > > the sooner less people will leave the distro deeply disapointed.
> >
> > Revamped? In what way. Documentation needs improvement, agreed. But
> > as GoboLinux is somewhat experimental, it is very fastmoving and
> > therefore also very hard to have updated documentation, with the
> > manpower we have - and I don't want to slow down the development.
>
> Perhaps I should wrote not "revamped" but "thought over".
> Then tell me please what do mean development because as I am concerned I
> see only constant hurry in producig new version of old applications.
>
As in updating recipes and packages? That's enough for keeping enough
of us busy. Lucas is doing one heck of a job with that, as well as
developing. What do you expect from the developers? All packages
updated as well as full development speed _as well as_ full
documentation of everything? We're only doing this in our spare time,
and have actuall jobs (or school work).

> Don't you reckon that the GoboLinux comunity deserve to be presented
> with information what is going on in terms of GoboLinux SYSTEM
> development? Latest Recipes and Latest Packages from Gobo HQ homepage
> shows only a piece of Gobo development in the field of applications.
>
Once again I can't follow you. In what way do we lack in information
to the users of GoboLinux? Wich system development isn't presented? As
I said, this distro is for advanced users. They should be able to take
care of them self.

-- 
/Jonas