From violazoli at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 22:34:39 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 00:34:39 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] LFS from GoboLinux Message-ID: I have the following problems: 1. The Beryl-Settings not work - it write me "unrecognized image file format" - but I HAVE installed LibRSVG ! 2. In 1024?768/24bits-color resolution I not see the up panel in XFCE unter Beryl - I see only blank line. 3. The Emerald Theme Manager is extremely large, and cannot resize it. I think, there are maybe anyone fucked dependencies error of my system. My system is based on GoboLinux 013, but - I think - the recipes of Beryl, XFCE, LibRSVG are created to the following 014 (to new kernel, etc). My plan: begin a project, named "LFS from GoboLinux". I think, copy to a new partition the Gobo-Tools: Compile, Scripts, BootScripts, GoboHide, etc, and the GCC, Glibc, and the 014 kernel, headers... And the complet Gobo Filesystem: /Files, Programs, etc directoryes. So, the minimal software-environment to running the GoboTools. After this, I begin Compile all of the needed packages, step by step, used the standard Gobo recipes. My question: Whats packages should I Compile, in witch order, to having a complet fresh GoboLinux system? (Me not need KDE, and not need any XDM (KDM, GDM, etc) I use only the "startx" command... but I want the XFCE with Beryl, and Gnome Terminal, K3B and Gcalc, and, of course, CDFs). And, whats are the minimal progs, should I copy to the new partition (what is ReiserFS format), to begin the Compile of Gobo-LFS project? Please help me in this project!I think, it is interest, I can more learn until this, and if it success me, I write an long article (in hungtarian language) of this project into my wiki... Zoli -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070602/72d5c7f9/attachment.htm From violazoli at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 23:25:06 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 01:25:06 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] GoboLinux NetInstall Message-ID: My big idea: GoboLinux NetInstall Script! As I think, all GoboLinux system is define-able with a simple TXT file. This file should write the default language, charset, the programs of /Programs, etc. I think, should write a script, what should run under another Linux system, and we give to this script a parameter: only one txt file. For example: GoboLinuxNetInstall MySystem.txt And this script download, Compile, install etc all part of the defined system, make me a new GoboLinux system to an another partition. The parameter-file format specification as an example: (This is only a pre-release for discussion...): TargetPartition=/Mount/HDA7 #( or: /media/hda7 or: /mount/gobopartiton ... ) DirectoryOfExtraPackages=... #(If I have any own package. If the NetInstall script not find recipe of any programs in the GoboLinux RecipeStore, try find its in this directory as binary package). DefaultCharSet=ISO-8859-2 #(The default is UTF-8, if not defined. The DefaultCharSet should compiled into the kernel!). TimeZone=CentralEuropean #(Greenwitch, if not defined). DefaultLanguage=hu #("en", if not defined). ExtraLanguages=pt_BR,fr,eo #(if this is "none", in this case not install another language packages of programs, only for the DefaultLanguage. This needed not too big area of the winchester. The default behavior (if not defined): ExtraLanguages=all ). GraphicalEnvironment=XFCE #(or: KDE,Gnome,Fluxbox ... or: none. "none" is the default. In this case nothing X, KDE, etc, not installed Xorg...) GraphicalExtras=Beryl,Metisse #(Default: none. Of course, this parameter used only if the GraphicalEnvironment is not "none"). If the "Beryl" is specified, and the GraphicalEnvironment is Gnome or XFCE, should install the Emerald and Emerald Themes automathic. If the GraphicalEnvironment is KDE, should install Aquamarine.) ProgramsNotNeeded=Firefox,OpenOffice,Lilo #(In the default GoboLinux system the Firefox and OpenOffice are in english language, so this are me not needed. And, I use GRUB, the Lilo me not needed, I disable its.) ExtraProgs=Xbindkeys,Xvolume,XaoS #(this are not in the default GoboLinux system, but I need its). MyProgs=Firefox,OpenOffice,JRE #(There are the hungarian Firefox and OpenOffice, and Java Runtime Environment, its are binary packages, created by I, and are in the "DirectoryOfExtraPackages"). DefaultXDM=none #(The "none" is the default, but can be "KDM" or "GDM".) Internet=AsIs #(This is the default behavior: set the IP adress, hosts, gateway, etc as its are in the running system. Or can use this format: Internet=( IPAdress=82.144.172.155; DefaultGateway=...; DNS-Servers=... etc).) ExtraFileSystems=CDFs #(The default is none. Other possibilityes: FAT,ReiserFS,NTFS, etc. This filesystems should be into the kernel compiled! The filesystem of the target partition is compiled to the kernel as default. DirectoryOfSource=... #(The directory for downloaded sources). The default is the $TargetPartition/Files/Compile/Archives. AllDownload=yes #(or "no". The default is "yes". In this case first download all needed sources, and only after this Compile its and install). NameOfRoot=... #(NEED explicit specified! Nothing default! The NameOfRoot should writed into the Compile.conf as "compileRecipeAuthor" automathic) NameOfNonRoot=vz,xy,Hisham,LooserUser... #(default is "gobo", if not specified). PGP=yes #("yes" is the default, but can be "not". If "yes", generate automathic PGP key to Compile processes). FormatPartition=yes #("yes" is the default, but can be "not". If "yes", format the TargetPartition before install). Fstab=AsIs #("AsIs" is the default, but can be "no". If "AsIs", create the fstab from the fstab of running system). Numlock=on #("on" is the default, but can be "off". This set the "numlock" status of the login screen, AND after login, under the non-graphical AND under the graphical environment). If this NetInstall script is usable, all users of GoboLinux can create the parameter txt-file, defined its own preferred GoboSystem ! 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URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070602/d5b544bc/attachment.htm From teique at gmail.com Sun Jun 3 21:04:12 2007 From: teique at gmail.com (teique) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:04:12 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] CUPS... again: Unsupported format 'application/postscript' Message-ID: <46632CCC.8090002@gmail.com> I am having problems with CUPS for a huge long time :( if there is another printing system I would like to know :) in case I choose LPD /usr/local/bin/lpr: Unsupported format 'application/postscript'! and in case of CUPS the error is this: client-error-document-format-not-supported if I manually issue at console: $lpr -P 'Epson1520' '-#1' 'print.ps' I get the same error: lpr: Unsupported format 'application/postscript'! I have already checked the cfg at /etc/cups/mime.convs and all stuff to postscript seems ok I am using CUPS 1.2.8 cupsd is running ^^ Mr. Google isnt helping either XD any tips? From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Mon Jun 4 00:14:48 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:14:48 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] CUPS... again: Unsupported format 'application/postscript' In-Reply-To: <46632CCC.8090002@gmail.com> References: <46632CCC.8090002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c03f9590706031714q7b277524r7f85f9809246031b@mail.gmail.com> On 6/3/07, teique wrote: > I am having problems with CUPS for a huge long time :( > > if there is another printing system I would like to know :) > > in case I choose LPD > /usr/local/bin/lpr: Unsupported format 'application/postscript'! > > and in case of CUPS the error is this: > client-error-document-format-not-supported Which version of CUPS are you running there? Have you tried to update to its last version (Compile/InstallPackage CUPS)? Foomatic is another package that you might want to consider updating, as well as ESP-Ghostscript.. -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From teique at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 00:51:34 2007 From: teique at gmail.com (teique) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:51:34 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] CUPS... again: Unsupported format 'application/postscript' In-Reply-To: <2c03f9590706031714q7b277524r7f85f9809246031b@mail.gmail.com> References: <46632CCC.8090002@gmail.com> <2c03f9590706031714q7b277524r7f85f9809246031b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46636216.4030509@gmail.com> Lucas C. Villa Real wrote: > On 6/3/07, teique wrote: > >> I am having problems with CUPS for a huge long time :( >> >> if there is another printing system I would like to know :) >> >> in case I choose LPD >> /usr/local/bin/lpr: Unsupported format 'application/postscript'! >> >> and in case of CUPS the error is this: >> client-error-document-format-not-supported >> > > Which version of CUPS are you running there? 1.2.8 > Have you tried to update > to its last version (Compile/InstallPackage CUPS)? yep, it is the latest :) > Foomatic is another > package that you might want to consider updating, just installed, didnt c n diff with this one, but I will keep it :) > as well as > ESP-Ghostscript.. > > just after I install ESP-Ghostscript, and restart cupsd, I was able to send the job to the printer! XD despite it still not printing ("Estado: Na Fila", and it is a parallel printer and already issued "modprobe lp"), but thats a !\\challenge//! to the next weekend XD thx! I just wonder why ESP-Ghostscript isnt a dependency for CUPS? :) From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Mon Jun 4 01:40:57 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:40:57 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] CUPS... again: Unsupported format 'application/postscript' In-Reply-To: <46636216.4030509@gmail.com> References: <46632CCC.8090002@gmail.com> <2c03f9590706031714q7b277524r7f85f9809246031b@mail.gmail.com> <46636216.4030509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c03f9590706031840x1176b1f3w7c3dbf90ecb48bb7@mail.gmail.com> On 6/3/07, teique wrote: > > just after I install ESP-Ghostscript, and restart cupsd, I was able to > send the job to the printer! XD > > despite it still not printing ("Estado: Na Fila", and it is a parallel > printer and already issued "modprobe lp"), but thats a !\\challenge//! > to the next weekend XD Cool! :-) > thx! > > I just wonder why ESP-Ghostscript isnt a dependency for CUPS? :) I don't know if it really *depends* on ESP-Ghostscript. Anyway, ESP-Ghostscript is going to merge with GPL-Ghostscript, so that dependency is going to change soon. I'll try to keep these recipes up to date. -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From violazoli at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 14:57:13 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:57:13 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] to 014 Message-ID: A question: Dear Lucas, have the 014 CD enough of place, to the Beryl with Emerald? And, if it is possible, the XFCE... Zoli -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070604/e44b9157/attachment-0001.htm From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Mon Jun 4 15:07:19 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:07:19 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] to 014 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c03f9590706040807h520f8f40g2916d22676216e5c@mail.gmail.com> On 6/4/07, Viola Zolt?n wrote: > A question: > > Dear Lucas, have the 014 CD enough of place, to the Beryl with Emerald? And, > if it is possible, the XFCE... Unfortunately no.. I already had to remove some extra applications so that the standard programs could fit on it. -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From lserrey at yahoo.com.ar Mon Jun 4 22:01:18 2007 From: lserrey at yahoo.com.ar (Lucas Serrey) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:01:18 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] consulta wireless (spanish) Message-ID: <000601c7a6f3$ebe781b0$0301a8c0@x77> Hola! Quisiera consultar a todo aquel que puedar darme una ayuda sobre como puedo hacer para que GoboLinux funcione correctamente en mi pc. El problema que tengo es que no se como hacer para configurar la interfaz wireless de mi equipo. El mismo es una notebook compaq c501. Bueno, si alguien puede guiarme u orientar en como resolver este problema se lo agradezco!! Perdon por no escribir es ingles, es que se bastante poco... Saludos! Tratare de explicar algo en ingles: I need help about wireless configuration. I don't know how install or configure my wireless interface on GoboLinux. Can you help me please ? Sorry my english, i speak spanish! Bye! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070604/8fa380cc/attachment.htm From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Mon Jun 4 23:43:45 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:43:45 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] consulta wireless (spanish) In-Reply-To: <000601c7a6f3$ebe781b0$0301a8c0@x77> References: <000601c7a6f3$ebe781b0$0301a8c0@x77> Message-ID: On 6/5/07, Lucas Serrey wrote: > > > Hola! > > Quisiera consultar a todo aquel que puedar darme una ayuda sobre como > puedo hacer para que GoboLinux funcione correctamente en mi pc. > > El problema que tengo es que no se como hacer para configurar la interfaz > wireless de mi equipo. El mismo es una notebook compaq c501. > > Bueno, si alguien puede guiarme u orientar en como resolver este problema se > lo agradezco!! > > Perdon por no escribir es ingles, es que se bastante poco... > > Saludos! Hola! Creo que necesit?ramos m?s informaci?n sobre la interfaz - ?tiene otro sistema operativo en que puede descubrir unos detalles? No pod?a encontrar la marca o el n?mero de la interfaz in esta notebook con Google. Cuando tenga estos datos se puede usar http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ para buscar un controlador nativo, o http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List si no existe, y podemos ayudarse m?s con la instalaci?n del controlador espec?fico. Despu?s de eso, GoboLinux no es muy diferente de otras distribuciones en este respecto (lo cual es decir, es un poco dific?l). Quiero disculparme por mi espa?ol tambi?n. Su traducci?n al ingl?s me encuentra bien. -Michael From goboster at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 01:05:28 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] cannot shutdown the machine Message-ID: <911313.29158.qm@web62106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I seem to be having the same problem as Viola... Updating to udev-110 gave a ton of errors at startup and wouldn't start KDE, so I downgraded back to udev-105-r5. Now have Jonas' fix installed with 110-r2, but I get a lot of errors at startup like "lib/udev/rundevd failed". I'm not sure exactly what they say because they scroll by so quickly. Does anyone know where a log of the messages displayed at startup is kept? Now KDE is starting ok, but I have the same problem as with udev-105-r5, can't shutdown from GUI or root shell (trying to do so freezes all interactive root processes), but sudo shutdown works. HAL isn't listed by ps, and I get this error when starting it: root at homecomputer /]StartTask HAL StartTask: HAL: Returned code 1 => FAILED. Tried to Compile HAL to update to update to 0.5.9-r1, but it fails every time at the step: checking for intltool >= 0.22... 0.35.5 found checking for perl... /System/Links/Executables/perl checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool PrepareProgram: configure failed. Compile: Preparation step failed. I have Perl-XML-Parser 2.34-r3 installed, and have unlinked, relinked, re-InstallPackaged it, etc. still isn't detected by this recipe. Also noteworthy, it gives this error at the beginning of the Compile process: Compile: Unpacking file /Files/Compile/Archives/hal-0.5.9.tar.gz... Compile: Adding user haldaemon useradd: invalid numeric argument 'haldaemon' I currently have HAL 0.5.8.1-r3 installed. Any suggestions? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From goboster at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 04:04:03 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] binary recipes archive Message-ID: <149985.59259.qm@web62115.mail.re1.yahoo.com> There was some talk a few months ago when the Nvidia recipe came out of making a separate server for binary recipes. I was wondering if this ever happened, and if it did, how/where to get the recipes for "binary only" installs. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Tue Jun 5 05:16:06 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 02:16:06 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] binary recipes archive In-Reply-To: <149985.59259.qm@web62115.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <149985.59259.qm@web62115.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2c03f9590706042216yfa3463et2f3716e2b0543a66@mail.gmail.com> On 6/5/07, Hi There wrote: > There was some talk a few months ago when the Nvidia > recipe came out of making a separate server for binary > recipes. I was wondering if this ever happened, and if > it did, how/where to get the recipes for "binary only" > installs. No, it didn't happen yet.. no one had time to work on it yet.. :-( -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From aitor.iturri at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 07:41:56 2007 From: aitor.iturri at gmail.com (Aitor =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E9rez?= Iturri) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:41:56 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] consulta wireless (spanish) In-Reply-To: <000601c7a6f3$ebe781b0$0301a8c0@x77> References: <000601c7a6f3$ebe781b0$0301a8c0@x77> Message-ID: <20070605094156.201cb03d@localhost.localdomain> El Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:01:18 -0300 "Lucas Serrey" escribi? > Hola! > Hola Lucas. > Quisiera consultar a todo aquel que puedar darme una ayuda sobre > como puedo hacer para que GoboLinux funcione correctamente en mi pc. > Pregunta lo que quieras, si se puede te ayudaremos :). > El problema que tengo es que no se como hacer para configurar la > interfaz wireless de mi equipo. El mismo es una notebook compaq c501. > > Bueno, si alguien puede guiarme u orientar en como resolver este > problema se lo agradezco!! Como te dijo Michael Homer, que tarjeta (interface) est?s usando, yo he configurado alguna tarjeta wireless (pero eran pcmcia y pci). Si das las caracter?sticas quiz?s podamos ver que se puede hacer. Un saludo y ?nimo con GoboLinux. Aitor P?rez Iturri. From giamby at infinito.it Tue Jun 5 10:02:12 2007 From: giamby at infinito.it (Giambattista Bloisi) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:02:12 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] consulta wireless (spanish) In-Reply-To: <000601c7a6f3$ebe781b0$0301a8c0@x77> References: <000601c7a6f3$ebe781b0$0301a8c0@x77> Message-ID: <466534A4.3000306@infinito.it> Hi, I had the same problem and I resolved it in just three step: - Installed and configured ndiswrapper (since my device was not supported by the kernel). Actually it required me to recompile the kernel with "low latency" preemption enabled: this seems a requirement of ndiswrapper. - Configured iwconfig. For example: iwconfig wlan0 essid key s: - Launched dhcpcd. For example: dhcpcd wlan0 Hope thjis helps! Regards, Giambattista Lucas Serrey wrote: > Hola! > > Quisiera consultar a todo aquel que puedar darme una ayuda sobre > como puedo hacer para que GoboLinux funcione correctamente en mi pc. > > El problema que tengo es que no se como hacer para configurar la > interfaz wireless de mi equipo. El mismo es una notebook compaq c501. > > Bueno, si alguien puede guiarme u orientar en como resolver este > problema se lo agradezco!! > > Perdon por no escribir es ingles, es que se bastante poco... > > Saludos! > > Tratare de explicar algo en ingles: > > > I need help about wireless configuration. I don't know how install or > configure my wireless interface on GoboLinux. Can you help me please ? > > Sorry my english, i speak spanish! Bye! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > From goboster at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 10:37:47 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] cannot shutdown the machine Message-ID: <664798.84494.qm@web62109.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Got HAL 0.5.8.3.1-r3 running. Had to downgrade back to shadow 4.0.17 (something must have required the broken 4.0.18.1 when upgrading). Created haldameon user, but hald wouldn't stay running, so tried: /Programs/Shadow/Current/sbin]lshal error: dbus_bus_get: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /System/Variable/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory root at homecomputer /Programs/Shadow/Current/sbin]dbus-daemon --system Failed to start message bus: Could not get UID and GID for username "messagebus" Looks like the DBus recipe doesn't add a messagebus user. Added messagebus user, now dbus-daemon runs ok, and so does hald. Shutdown and restart work from KDE! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Tue Jun 5 12:19:23 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:19:23 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] cannot shutdown the machine In-Reply-To: <664798.84494.qm@web62109.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <664798.84494.qm@web62109.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2c03f9590706050519o39f7278dw4534deb194c884f0@mail.gmail.com> On 6/5/07, Hi There wrote: > Got HAL 0.5.8.3.1-r3 running. > Had to downgrade back to shadow 4.0.17 (something must > have required the broken 4.0.18.1 when upgrading). > Created haldameon user, but hald wouldn't stay > running, so tried: > > /Programs/Shadow/Current/sbin]lshal > error: dbus_bus_get: > org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to > connect to socket > /System/Variable/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such > file or directory > root at homecomputer > /Programs/Shadow/Current/sbin]dbus-daemon --system > Failed to start message bus: Could not get UID and GID > for username "messagebus" > > Looks like the DBus recipe doesn't add a messagebus > user. Added messagebus user, now dbus-daemon runs ok, > and so does hald. > > Shutdown and restart work from KDE! Did you have to add a group named messagebus as well? -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From goboster at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 21:27:10 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] cannot shutdown the machine Message-ID: <403946.87870.qm@web62112.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >> Looks like the DBus recipe doesn't add a messagebus >> user. Added messagebus user, now dbus-daemon runs ok, >> and so does hald. >> >> Shutdown and restart work from KDE! > >Did you have to add a group named messagebus as well? No, I was lazy and just used group 6 "daemon" which I think comes default on GoboLinux? Linux From Scratch does create a messagebus group in their instructions, so maybe that's the proper way to do it. By the way, the HAL recipe successfully adds a haldaemon user and group with the old version of shadow, but it seems to just increment from the highest (or last used?) number in the passwd and group files, so haldaemon is listed as a user login option for KDE. Had to manually change the user # to one below 1000 to get rid of that. Cheers! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From goboster at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 23:51:42 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] /dev/dsp disappeared after upgrade Message-ID: <350041.84258.qm@web62113.mail.re1.yahoo.com> One of many problems I've encountered after upgrading to newer packages (KDE, kernel, xorg, udev) is that sound has stopped working. I think it happened at the KDE upgrade stage. There is no longer a /dev/dsp present. KDE pops up a window at startup: Error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory) The sound server will continue, using the null output device. I thought this may have been a sound card specific problem, so I pulled it out of my computer and enabled the onboard sound, same error. Both sound cards worked ok before. I have an "audio" group with proper users as members. Correct modules seem to be loaded: Module Size Used by ipv6 256192 10 nvidia 6836340 32 eth1394 19716 0 usblp 14464 0 thermal 15240 1 processor 28360 1 thermal joydev 10304 0 tsdev 8640 0 ohci1394 33712 0 serio_raw 7684 0 snd_hda_intel 21528 1 snd_hda_codec 198912 1 snd_hda_intel ieee1394 91096 2 eth1394,ohci1394 snd_pcm 73220 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 22148 1 snd_pcm snd 49764 6 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer snd_page_alloc 10632 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm e1000 114240 0 i2c_i801 9360 0 i2c_core 22016 2 nvidia,i2c_i801 I'm using ALSA kernel modules from the kernel, and have tried with and without alsa-oss & oss stuff enabled. Does udev have anything to do with /dev/dsp or /dev/rtc? Because udev 110-r2 seems to be pretty messed up, and I think KDE 3.5.6 depends on it. Same error occurs with udev 105-r5 though. If sound depends on rtc, then an error during startup "drivers/rtc/hctosys.c unable to open rtc device (rtc0)" may have something to do with it. When upgrading KDE, I elected to use the new config files, as I hadn't changed much from the old defaults. Maybe that was the wrong choice? ]uname -a Linux homecomputer 2.6.21.1-Gobo #4 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jun 3 19:53:55 PDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux BTW, can't Compile ALSA-Driver 1.0.13-r2, it gives kernel header file errors, looks like it's not compatible with kernel 2.6.21.1. Suggestions anyone? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From goboster at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 00:00:09 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] consulta wireless (spanish) Message-ID: <244084.52405.qm@web62103.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > - Launched dhcpcd. For example: > dhcpcd wlan0 That works, but I think the Gobo way would be: StartTask Network wlan0 iwconfig should probably be made into a Task too. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From goboster at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 01:12:21 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors Message-ID: <648585.51790.qm@web62107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I think many of the problems I'm having are related to udev 110 and associated errors. Before I added Jonas' fix (from http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/2007-May/005631.html), the computer wouldn't start successfully. Now I get dozens of errors at startup and shutdown like: udevd-event[4379]: delete_path: rmdir(/System/Kernel/Devices) failed: Device or Resource busy udevd-event[4380]: run_program: exec of program '/lib/udev/udev_run_hotplugd' failed udevd-event[4381]: run_program: exec of program '/lib/udev/udev_run_devd' failed etc. I'm missing /dev/dsp and get and error related to /dev/rtc that reads "drivers/rtc/hctosys.c unable to open rtc device (rt0)" I've attached my Udev task, should be identical to the default but maybe I missed an upgrade somewhere. Any ideas about how to get this to work? Looks like udev is at version 112 now, maybe it's time for an updated recipe? BTW, tried to search group for similar error messages, but http://search.gmane.org/search.php?group=gmane.linux.distributions.gobo.general is broken right now. ___________________________________________________________________________________ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Udev Type: application/x-shellscript Size: 1741 bytes Desc: 1466201804-Udev Url : http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070605/1e391488/attachment.bin From goboster at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 01:19:37 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors Message-ID: <673908.40811.qm@web62111.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- I wrote: > I think many of the problems I'm having are related > to > udev 110 and associated errors. Before I added > Jonas' > fix (from > http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/2007-May/005631.html), > the computer wouldn't start successfully. Now I get > dozens of errors at startup and shutdown like: > > udevd-event[4379]: delete_path: > rmdir(/System/Kernel/Devices) failed: Device or > Resource busy > udevd-event[4380]: run_program: exec of program > '/lib/udev/udev_run_hotplugd' failed > udevd-event[4381]: run_program: exec of program > '/lib/udev/udev_run_devd' failed > etc. > > I'm missing /dev/dsp and get and error related to > /dev/rtc that reads "drivers/rtc/hctosys.c unable to > open rtc device (rt0)" > > I've attached my Udev task, should be identical to > the > default but maybe I missed an upgrade somewhere. > > Any ideas about how to get this to work? > > Looks like udev is at version 112 now, maybe it's > time > for an updated recipe? > > > BTW, tried to search group for similar error > messages, > but > http://search.gmane.org/search.php?group=gmane.linux.distributions.gobo.general > is broken right now. now that I look even closer, it seems udev isn't running at all! root at homecomputer /System/Kernel/Devices]ps aux |grep udev root at homecomputer /System/Kernel/Devices]udevd --daemon error initializing udevd socket ??? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Wed Jun 6 06:28:17 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 03:28:17 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors In-Reply-To: <648585.51790.qm@web62107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <648585.51790.qm@web62107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2c03f9590706052328u1497643fvab4e80bba6851634@mail.gmail.com> On 6/5/07, Hi There wrote: > I think many of the problems I'm having are related to > udev 110 and associated errors. Before I added Jonas' > fix (from > http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/2007-May/005631.html), > the computer wouldn't start successfully. Now I get > dozens of errors at startup and shutdown like: > > udevd-event[4379]: delete_path: > rmdir(/System/Kernel/Devices) failed: Device or > Resource busy > udevd-event[4380]: run_program: exec of program > '/lib/udev/udev_run_hotplugd' failed > udevd-event[4381]: run_program: exec of program > '/lib/udev/udev_run_devd' failed > etc. Which revision are you using there (take a look into /Programs/Udev/Current/Resources/Revision). A recipe for r4 was uploaded some weeks ago, and the binary package is available now (linked against glibc 2.5, but it will probably work on 2.4). > I'm missing /dev/dsp and get and error related to > /dev/rtc that reads "drivers/rtc/hctosys.c unable to > open rtc device (rt0)" This is probably related to the fact that udev isn't being correctly initialized. The error on rtc device is harmless on this kernel release, it's pretty safe to ignore it. > Looks like udev is at version 112 now, maybe it's time > for an updated recipe? Are you volunteering? :-) -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Wed Jun 6 06:30:38 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 03:30:38 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] /dev/dsp disappeared after upgrade In-Reply-To: <350041.84258.qm@web62113.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <350041.84258.qm@web62113.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2c03f9590706052330p1b2c5146o412fd082b9cda1e1@mail.gmail.com> On 6/5/07, Hi There wrote: > One of many problems I've encountered after upgrading > to newer packages (KDE, kernel, xorg, udev) is that > sound has stopped working. I think it happened at the > KDE upgrade stage. There is no longer a /dev/dsp > present. KDE pops up a window at startup: > > Error while initializing the sound driver: > device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or > directory) > The sound server will continue, using the null output > device. Please take a look at the other thread. I just replied about this problem there. > BTW, can't Compile ALSA-Driver 1.0.13-r2, it gives > kernel header file errors, looks like it's not > compatible with kernel 2.6.21.1. Since you're running an updated kernel I don't think there's a good reason to compile a stand-alone alsa driver package (unless there were important enhancements to your sound card's driver since then). -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From molfar.ua at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 06:42:21 2007 From: molfar.ua at gmail.com (molfar) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:42:21 +0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Grub installation bug Message-ID: <49e748a90706052342k6e325adcofb41388ba7f78da2@mail.gmail.com> We had some small discussion on the forum already (http://forum.gobolinux.org/discussion/14/grub-flooding-on-boot-and-errors-in-the-installation-too/) but no one competent enough has answered yet. Almost at the same time when we started the topic - someone reported quite a similar bug in the bug-tracker. Since Lucas posted a note in the tracker that the new 014 RC is due next week - I think our forum-based debug-info might help to solve the aforementioned issue. Regards, molfar From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Wed Jun 6 07:17:15 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 04:17:15 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Grub installation bug In-Reply-To: <49e748a90706052342k6e325adcofb41388ba7f78da2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49e748a90706052342k6e325adcofb41388ba7f78da2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c03f9590706060017m43eff5b6m1f30a6d238005e45@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/07, molfar wrote: > We had some small discussion on the forum already > (http://forum.gobolinux.org/discussion/14/grub-flooding-on-boot-and-errors-in-the-installation-too/) > but no one competent enough has answered yet. Almost at the same time > when we started the topic - someone reported quite a similar bug in > the bug-tracker. > Since Lucas posted a note in the tracker that the new 014 RC is due > next week - I think our forum-based debug-info might help to solve the > aforementioned issue. Thanks for the pointer. I've just entered the discussion. -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From goboster at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 08:26:34 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 01:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors Message-ID: <171512.30939.qm@web62101.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Lucas wrote: >>On 6/5/07, Hi There wrote: >> I think many of the problems I'm having are related to >> udev 110 and associated errors. Before I added Jonas' -=snip=- >> etc. >Which revision are you using there (take a look into >/Programs/Udev/Current/Resources/Revision). A recipe >for r4 was >uploaded some weeks ago, and the binary package is >available now >(linked against glibc 2.5, but it will probably work on 2.4). Was r2, my Manager doesn't list r4 (package or recipe) even after telling it to "Update Remote Lists". InstallPackage got it though. I have glibc 2.5 so the package should work ok. BTW, the -S option seems to get ignored by InstallPackage. "InstallPackage -S udev 110" ends with: InstallPackage: Installing Udev, version 110. InstallPackage: Uncompressing to /Programs... InstallPackage: Invalid signature. Package has been modified InstallPackage: Suspect package in /Programs/Udev/110 InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package /System/Variable/tmp/Udev--110-r4--i686.tar.bz2. Executed SymlinkProgram to get the new r4 package linked in properly. I get the same mess of errors with 110 r4 as I did with r2. Should I remove Jonas' fix now? udev does seem to be running now, which is an improvement ]ps ax |grep udev 1206 ? S> I'm missing /dev/dsp and get and error related to >> /dev/rtc that reads "drivers/rtc/hctosys.c unable to >> open rtc device (rt0)" >This is probably related to the fact that udev isn't >being correctly >initialized. The error on rtc device is harmless on >this kernel >release, it's pretty safe to ignore it. ok. My KDE time and BIOS time are very diferent from each other though. BIOS displays correct time. Running OpenNTP. >> Looks like udev is at version 112 now, maybe it's time >> for an updated recipe? >Are you volunteering? :-) Heh, of course I tried before writing that, but udev looks like it requires some special patchwork. I think there's only one person familiar enough with it to do the job right ;) >-- >Lucas >powered by /dev/dsp -- Mike powered by Error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory) :( ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Wed Jun 6 14:21:46 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:21:46 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors In-Reply-To: <171512.30939.qm@web62101.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <171512.30939.qm@web62101.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2c03f9590706060721r360c6b4o65b1827d6d3d1e5d@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/07, Hi There wrote: > >Which revision are you using there (take a look into > >/Programs/Udev/Current/Resources/Revision). A recipe > >for r4 was > >uploaded some weeks ago, and the binary package is > >available now > >(linked against glibc 2.5, but it will probably work > on 2.4). > > Was r2, my Manager doesn't list r4 (package or recipe) > even after telling it to "Update Remote Lists". > InstallPackage got it though. I have glibc 2.5 so the > package should work ok. I've just packaged a new version of Manager. It's still waiting for testing before entering the package store, but if you want to check it, here's the last version: http://lucasvr.gobolinux.org/etc/Manager--1.1.6--i686.tar.bz2 Could you please tell me if it installed and worked fine? Detsch did some important bug fixes in this version. > BTW, the -S option seems to get ignored by > InstallPackage. "InstallPackage -S udev 110" ends > with: > InstallPackage: Installing Udev, version 110. > InstallPackage: Uncompressing to /Programs... > InstallPackage: Invalid signature. Package has been > modified > InstallPackage: Suspect package in /Programs/Udev/110 > InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package > /System/Variable/tmp/Udev--110-r4--i686.tar.bz2. > > Executed SymlinkProgram to get the new r4 package > linked in properly. What version of Scripts are you running there? That bug should be fixed in the last version of Scripts, which is also being hold before someone tests it (could you please do that, too?) : http://lucasvr.gobolinux.org/etc/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2 > I get the same mess of errors with 110 r4 as I did > with r2. Should I remove Jonas' fix now? Did you 'UpdateSettings Udev'? > >This is probably related to the fact that udev isn't > >being correctly > >initialized. The error on rtc device is harmless on > >this kernel > >release, it's pretty safe to ignore it. > > ok. My KDE time and BIOS time are very diferent from > each other though. BIOS displays correct time. Running > OpenNTP. Might have something to do with 'ClockMode' being incorrectly set in /System/Settings/BootOptions. Options are 'LocalTime' and 'GMT'. > >> Looks like udev is at version 112 now, maybe it's > time > >> for an updated recipe? > > >Are you volunteering? :-) > > Heh, of course I tried before writing that, but udev > looks like it requires some special patchwork. I think > there's only one person familiar enough with it to do > the job right ;) Sure. Jonas, are you listening? :-) > >-- > >Lucas > >powered by /dev/dsp > > -- > Mike > powered by Error while initializing the sound driver: > device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or > directory) > :( hehehe. Please try to run 'UpdateSettings Udev' + reboot to see if it works fine after that. Regards, Lucas From hisham.hm at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 17:44:00 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (Hisham Muhammad) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:44:00 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Forum status Message-ID: <5e7d91620706061044v18903a29te623819818ba8fff@mail.gmail.com> Hi, When the forum is ready to be linked and announced in the main website, please let me know and I'll take care of this part. >From what I checked it looks good so far. Maybe the looks could be customized a bit; my suggestion would be to just tweak the css a bit, to make it match the main website colors. http://forum.gobolinux.org/themes/vanilla/styles/default/vanilla.css http://gobolinux.org/2006.css (Minor observations: I think "English support" looks strange, as the forum is basically all in English, but I don't know anything about forum categories -- I guess those can be adapted as the forum grows.) Anyway, kudos! -- Hisham From goboster at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 19:10:23 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors Message-ID: <147438.9941.qm@web62114.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >On 6/6/07, Hi There wrote: >> >Which revision are you using there (take a look into >> >/Programs/Udev/Current/Resources/Revision). A recipe >> >for r4 was >> >uploaded some weeks ago, and the binary package is >> >available now >> >(linked against glibc 2.5, but it will probably work >> on 2.4). >> >> Was r2, my Manager doesn't list r4 (package or recipe) >> even after telling it to "Update Remote Lists". >> InstallPackage got it though. I have glibc 2.5 so the >> package should work ok. >I've just packaged a new version of Manager. It's still waiting for >testing before entering the package store, but if you want to check >it, here's the last version: >http://lucasvr.gobolinux.org/etc/Manager--1.1.6--i686.tar.bz2 >Could you please tell me if it installed and worked >fine? Detsch did >some important bug fixes in this version. Just installed it, runs better than the last version. Before, had to "Rescan Available and Installed" at every startup to get it to list Outdated and Duplicated. Not a problem now. Are there any new revision versions I should check to verify that the new Manager sees them properly? >> BTW, the -S option seems to get ignored by -=snip=- >> Executed SymlinkProgram to get the new r4 package >> linked in properly. >What version of Scripts are you running there? That >bug should be >fixed in the last version of Scripts, which is also >being hold before >someone tests it (could you please do that, too?) : > >http://lucasvr.gobolinux.org/etc/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2 I had 2.6.4-r1 installed. Just installed new Scripts, symlinked w/ overwrite after the install. InstallPackage still ignores -S, fails to symlink after detecting an invalid signature. ]InstallPackage -S udev -=snip=- InstallPackage: Invalid signature. Package has been modified InstallPackage: Suspect package in /Programs/Udev/110 InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package /System/Variable/tmp/Udev--110-r4--i686.tar.bz2. root at homecomputer /Users/mic]InstallPackage --version InstallPackage 2.6.5 Also realized files are being moved to a python 2.3 directory when I only have 2.5-r2 installed Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/FindPackage.pyc ??? Manager install has same issue. >> I get the same mess of errors with 110 r4 as I did >> with r2. Should I remove Jonas' fix now? >Did you 'UpdateSettings Udev'? No... Now that's a new one for me. Some messages a while ago only mentioned SymlinkProgram as a workaround for the signature errors :/ Are there other programs I should have used UpdateSettings with after symlinking in new versions? >> >This is probably related to the fact that udev isn't >> >being correctly >> >initialized. The error on rtc device is harmless on >> >this kernel >> >release, it's pretty safe to ignore it. >> >> ok. My KDE time and BIOS time are very different from >> each other though. BIOS displays correct time. Running >> OpenNTP. >Might have something to do with 'ClockMode' being >incorrectly set in >/System/Settings/BootOptions. Options >are 'LocalTime' and 'GMT'. ClockMode is set correctly to LocalTime. >> >> Looks like udev is at version 112 now, maybe it's time >> >> for an updated recipe? >> >> >Are you volunteering? :-) >> >> Heh, of course I tried before writing that, but udev >> looks like it requires some special patchwork. I think >> there's only one person familiar enough with it to do >> the job right ;) >Sure. Jonas, are you listening? :-) hehe >> >-- >> >Lucas >> >powered by /dev/dsp >> >> -- >> Mike >> powered by Error while initializing the sound driver: >> device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or >> directory) >> :( >hehehe. Please try to run 'UpdateSettings Udev' + >reboot to see if it >works fine after that. Ran UpdateSettings Udev, used the new files in each case, rebooted, same mess of udev errors :( Is there an error log specific to udev? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From hisham.hm at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 19:12:06 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (Hisham Muhammad) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:12:06 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting Message-ID: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Well, it's been a while since the deadline expired so I guess it's time to set up voting. :) Here are the contestants: http://gobolinux.org/wallpaper_contest/ (Zoltan's updated wallpaper was submitted within the deadline, but I only uploaded it now, sorry about that.) Ideas on how to proceed with voting? Should I create an online poll or is it enough to do it here through the mailing list? -- Hisham From violazoli at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 19:38:51 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:38:51 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Hisham, I give you sorry for the late upload of my wallpaper, but please vote to my wallpaper... :-)) ROTFL Zoli 2007/6/6, Hisham Muhammad : > > Hi, > > Well, it's been a while since the deadline expired so I guess it's > time to set up voting. :) > Here are the contestants: > > http://gobolinux.org/wallpaper_contest/ > > (Zoltan's updated wallpaper was submitted within the deadline, but I > only uploaded it now, sorry about that.) > > Ideas on how to proceed with voting? Should I create an online poll or > is it enough to do it here through the mailing list? > > -- Hisham > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070606/fcb9b241/attachment.htm From nereusren at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 19:42:34 2007 From: nereusren at gmail.com (Andy Feldman) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:42:34 -0500 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51c95f840706061242v6d32c7a5n7ed6a097bb5db2ea@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/07, Hisham Muhammad wrote: > Ideas on how to proceed with voting? Should I create an online poll or > is it enough to do it here through the mailing list? I think an online poll of some sort would be better, so we can link to it from the (new) forum too. You know, first-class citizen and all that :-) -Andy From violazoli at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 19:46:52 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:46:52 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Enough the mailing list. I think, this is innere thema of the frequented Gobo-users (and developers). But I have an Idea: please make a wallpaper from the following two concepcions: http://gobolinux.org/wallpaper_contest/wallpaper_viola_zoltan_2.png and http://gobolinux.org/wallpaper_contest/wallpaper_molfar_4.png ! I think, the base should be the wallpaper created by I, but should cut the centrum of molfar's plan (The text and gobo-icon), and insert to the centrum of my wallpaper... Zoli 2007/6/6, Hisham Muhammad : > > Hi, > > Well, it's been a while since the deadline expired so I guess it's > time to set up voting. :) > Here are the contestants: > > http://gobolinux.org/wallpaper_contest/ > > (Zoltan's updated wallpaper was submitted within the deadline, but I > only uploaded it now, sorry about that.) > > Ideas on how to proceed with voting? Should I create an online poll or > is it enough to do it here through the mailing list? > > -- Hisham > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070606/5e13b5a0/attachment.htm From detsch at gobolinux.org Wed Jun 6 19:55:51 2007 From: detsch at gobolinux.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Detsch?=) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:55:51 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors In-Reply-To: <147438.9941.qm@web62114.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <147438.9941.qm@web62114.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3db91ed60706061255n3b918179q8a0dd119f73deb66@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/07, Hi There wrote: > Just installed it, runs better than the last version. > Before, had to "Rescan Available and Installed" at > every startup to get it to list Outdated and > Duplicated. Not a problem now. Are there any new > revision versions I should check to verify that the > new Manager sees them properly? Manager is now always reporting newer revisions when available. You can run FindPackage udev to make sure of the latest revision of udev. > Also realized files are being moved to a python 2.3 > directory when I only have 2.5-r2 installed > Conflict: > /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/FindPackage.pyc > ??? > > Manager install has same issue. In both cases, there is no problem. You can run SymlinkProgram -c overwrite Scripts If you want (not required though). About 'python2.3' path, also not problem. Python 2.5 will be looking files at /python2.3/site-packages/ too. -- Andre Detsch From gobo.users at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 20:06:23 2007 From: gobo.users at gmail.com (=?utf-8?b?bUBjQ28=?=) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hisham Muhammad gmail.com> writes: > > Hi, > > Well, it's been a while since the deadline expired so I guess it's > time to set up voting. :) > Here are the contestants: > > http://gobolinux.org/wallpaper_contest/ > > (Zoltan's updated wallpaper was submitted within the deadline, but I > only uploaded it now, sorry about that.) > > Ideas on how to proceed with voting? Should I create an online poll or > is it enough to do it here through the mailing list? > Mmm...I really don't know which to choose between molfar2 and your number one. But I think the molfar one is a little more "stylish", you know. And hey, there's fibo (or the other penguin, I don't remember its name atm, sorry :p). By the way, a little poll on the main page could do the work, maybe letting everybody votes? P.S.: can anybody help me to find the others gobolinux logo proposals similar to the ones present in molfar's wallpapers? I know I already saw them, but I simply can't remember where... From goboster at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 20:51:47 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors Message-ID: <15880.22701.qm@web62115.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Andre wrote: >In both cases, there is no problem. You can run >SymlinkProgram -c overwrite Scripts >If you want (not required though). I did SymlinkProgram -f (same thing) >About 'python2.3' >path, also not >problem. Python 2.5 will be looking files >at /python2.3/site-packages/ >too. OK, that's mainly what I was worried about. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From nereusren at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 21:41:14 2007 From: nereusren at gmail.com (Andy Feldman) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:41:14 -0500 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting In-Reply-To: References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51c95f840706061441x2a0da80crde4dd1ce528291a@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/07, m at cCo wrote: > P.S.: can anybody help me to find the others gobolinux logo proposals similar to > the ones present in molfar's wallpapers? I know I already saw them, but I simply > can't remember where... molfar posted a few other logo concepts here: http://vz-comp.blogspot.com/2007/05/improved-gobolinux-logo.html. Is that what you were thinking of? From gobo.users at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 22:20:17 2007 From: gobo.users at gmail.com (mAcCo) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> <51c95f840706061441x2a0da80crde4dd1ce528291a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Andy Feldman gmail.com> writes: > > On 6/6/07, m cCo gmail.com> wrote: > > P.S.: can anybody help me to find the others gobolinux logo proposals similar to > > the ones present in molfar's wallpapers? I know I already saw them, but I simply > > can't remember where... > > molfar posted a few other logo concepts here: > http://vz-comp.blogspot.com/2007/05/improved-gobolinux-logo.html. Is > that what you were thinking of? > Absolutely yes. P.S.: I've already found it on my own by searching on google, but thanks anyway :D From mla-gobo at forrussia.org Thu Jun 7 05:14:10 2007 From: mla-gobo at forrussia.org (MLA-Gobo) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:14:10 +0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200706070914.10993.mla-gobo@forrussia.org> On Wednesday 06 June 2007 23:12, Hisham Muhammad wrote: > Well, it's been a while since the deadline expired so I guess it's > time to set up voting. :) > Here are the contestants: > > http://gobolinux.org/wallpaper_contest/ Molfar6 gets my vote. :Peter P.S. Molfar, what is that font you are using? I like. From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Thu Jun 7 05:50:36 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 02:50:36 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] New version of GoboLinux tools Message-ID: <2c03f9590706062250o18968cfdub1388c3ef8d78c6a@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Here comes the so-expected flood of new versions of GoboLinux tools. And this time Compile/Scripts didn't came alone! Here are their new friends: => AbsTK 0.3 => BootScripts 2.1.2 => Compile 1.8.5 => ConfigTools 1.1.2 => Installer 1.0.3 => Listener 1.3 => LiveCD 1.0.2 => Manager 1.1.6 => Scripts 2.6.5 Please note that some of these are only relevant for the ISO, so you won't need to install them all -- you're probably more interested in Compile, Manager and Scripts. As usual, just invoke 'InstallPackage ' to install the ones you're interested in. The full change log for each one can be found below. Cheers, Lucas ============================= Compile ============================= 2007-06-01 00:25 lucasvr * Compile/bin/Compile: Removed call to 'rm $selecteddeps', as that variable doesn't refer to temporaries under $goboTemp anymore. 2007-05-04 19:00 mohjive * Compile/bin/Compile: Compile must die if patching from generated patches fails 2007-05-04 18:55 mohjive * Compile/bin/NewVersion: forgot a quote in the last commit 2007-05-04 16:33 mohjive * Compile/bin/NewVersion: do not deduct $file from url if $file is already set in the recipe 2007-04-27 17:41 mohjive * Compile/bin/Compile: Adding option --no-unmanaged to Compile to make it possible to skip installation of unmanaged files while using Compile 2007-04-27 17:40 mohjive * Compile/bin/Compile: Updating which version of Scripts Compile needs 2007-04-27 17:37 mohjive * Compile/bin/Compile: Changing how unmanged files are handled by Compile. Instead of just setting allow leftovers to the sandbox and copying everything left in the sandbox to Unmanaged, use the new feature of SandboxInstall to handle unmanaged files. 2007-04-21 16:25 mohjive * Compile/bin/Compile: Changed echoing dependencies to verbose mode ============================= Scripts ============================= 2007-06-04 03:20 lucasvr * Scripts/bin/TemplateScript: Fixed typo, closing bug #113. 2007-05-30 16:34 detsch * Scripts/bin/GetAvailable: Fixed bug preventing some programs to be returned when a regular user runs GetAvailable -t i. 2007-05-30 06:38 mohjive * Scripts/bin/FiboSandbox: Mounts has to be cleaned up before trying to restore ownerships as the mounts can hide files which causes a lot of errors. Perhaps ownership restoring isn't needed with the new implementation? 2007-05-14 13:20 detsch * Scripts/src/List.c: Storing total number of bytes in 64 bits, allowing directories with a total of more than 2^31 bytes (2GB) to be correctly shown. 2007-04-27 17:30 mohjive * Scripts/bin/: FiboSandbox, SandboxInstall, UnionSandbox: FiboSandbox: * adding 'trap' function to clean up sandbox even when interupted * adding option to specify directories in root system that should be mapped to directories in 'Unmanaged' via '--map' option SandboxInstall: * adding 'trap' function to clean up sandbox even when interupted * adding --unmanaged-files option wich takes a colon separated list of files and directories and place them withim Unmanged when installing UnionSandbox: * readlink returns nothing when called with a nonexisting file/directory * we must assert that the mountpoint exists as well 2007-04-27 17:20 mohjive * Scripts/: Functions/File, Functions/GoboLinux, bin/DisableProgram, bin/RemoveProgram, bin/SymlinkProgram: * Adding helping functions to query status of a directory (if real directory and empty/non-empty) as well as finding if a executable is in path * adding function to update mime database * updating SymlinkProgram, DisableProgram and RemoveProgram to update mime database if the current application comes with mime definitions 2007-04-21 18:21 mohjive * Scripts/Resources/Defaults/Settings/: bashrc, xprofile, zshrc: * We must ensure that environment variables are set in the cache file 2007-04-21 16:29 mohjive * Scripts/bin/KillProcess: * silencing error from 'kill' * Making unable to close the process terse instead of verbose 2007-04-20 12:32 detsch * Scripts/bin/GetAvailable: Relevant fix: new current_only parameter must be 'False' by default. ============================= Manager ============================= 2007-05-01 17:37 detsch * Manager/bin/ShowPackages: Fixed bug related to programs with different cases introduced with the last commit. 2007-04-22 14:14 detsch * Manager/bin/ShowPackages: - Enabled 'local-dirs' option; - Support for revisions; - Printing programs in their original case, not always lower case. ============================= BootScripts ============================= 2007-05-30 05:44 mohjive * BootScripts/Themes/AppleII: Hiding output from the user instead 2007-05-29 13:46 mohjive * BootScripts/Themes/AppleII: /dev/tty2 isn't available, using /dev/console instead ============================= Listener ============================= 2007-06-07 02:20 lucasvr * Listener/: Makefile, src/Makefile: Fixes in Makefiles to employ the same mechanism of doing new releases in all GoboLinux tools. 2007-06-07 02:08 lucasvr * Listener/src/rules.c: Fixed bug #24. 2007-06-07 01:38 lucasvr * Listener/: Resources/Defaults/Settings/listener.conf, src/rules.c: Removing documentation about 'RECURSIVE' until that feature is implemented correctly. 2007-04-03 01:56 lucasvr * Listener/src/rules.c: Added missing variable declarations. 2006-11-03 11:51 lucasvr * Listener/src/rules.c: Allows references for both $ENTRY_RELATIVE and $ENTRY in the same line. ============================= ConfigTools ============================= 2007-06-06 23:12 lucasvr * ConfigTools/Makefile: Adjusted to become 'make dist' friendly. 2007-05-02 05:13 lucasvr * ConfigTools/bin/ModifyXorgConf: Small cleanup. 2007-04-21 16:19 mohjive * ConfigTools/bin/GenFstab: Cleaner implementation for skipping entry for extended partition (type 5) 2007-04-21 15:01 detsch * ConfigTools/Makefile: Fixed compilation of python modules. 2007-04-20 01:42 lucasvr * ConfigTools/bin/GenFstab: Oops :-) 2007-04-20 01:42 lucasvr * ConfigTools/bin/GenFstab: Starting counter at 1. 2007-04-20 01:40 lucasvr * ConfigTools/bin/GenFstab: Fixed indentation. 2007-04-20 01:07 lucasvr * ConfigTools/bin/GenFstab: From John E. Rose: 1) bootableflag and id require more of the "fdisk -l" output than is saved in the varable partition. I created a new variable pt to take care of this; 2) the test 'test ! -z "${extralist}" && if echo "${extralist}" | grep -q "${drive}${partitionnumber}"' never reaches the else that unsets several variables if there is no extralist; 3) "partitionnumber" is misspelled in one place ("partionnumber") 4) an incorrect line is added to the output if the id is 5 5) the arrays "types" and "drives" are not correctly expanded by $types and $drives; something like ${types[@]} is needed 2007-04-17 15:17 detsch * ConfigTools/bin/: GenGrubMenu, dev2grub.sh: Using a separate script for device string conversion. This time, code copied from grub package itself. 2007-04-17 12:40 detsch * ConfigTools/bin/dev2grub.sh: Script is not needed here anymore. 2007-04-17 12:38 detsch * ConfigTools/bin/GenGrubMenu: Using old routine (from ConfigTools 1.0) to convert device strings to grub format, as it looks like that was the correct way to do it. 2007-03-18 01:10 lucasvr * ConfigTools/bin/GenFstab: Added missing commits from Jonas Karlsson after Savannah's backup restore: * Added support for a list with predefined mounts * Added support for ntfs * Some generalization of the drive loop 2007-03-03 17:49 mohjive * ConfigTools/bin/: .chroot, EthInterfaces, GenFstab, GenXorgConf, MakeGrubKeymap, ModifyXorgConf, dev2grub.sh: We depend on bash ============================= Installer ============================= 2007-06-07 00:21 lucasvr * Installer/Makefile: Adjusted to become 'make dist' friendly. 2007-06-06 01:42 lucasvr * Installer/Makefile: Do not using old DirPythonCompile anymore to compile python scripts. 2007-04-27 19:12 mohjive * Installer/bin/: GoboLinuxInstaller, ProfileInstall: Cleaning up paths a bit 2007-04-22 14:38 detsch * Installer/bin/ProfileInstall: Changed the way we enforce 'red' as being the superuser's prompt color. 2007-04-21 17:50 detsch * Installer/bin/GoboLinuxInstaller: Exporting LANG and LC_ALL variables in Bootscripts Env file. 2007-04-21 17:44 detsch * Installer/bin/ProfileInstall: Removed 'sync' commands, dated from the unstable cloop days. 2007-04-21 17:36 detsch * Installer/bin/ProfileInstall: Being more verbose if some program from the profile is not found; Removed copy of Daemons, as it is not needed anymore. 2007-04-21 17:27 detsch * Installer/bin/ProfileInstall: Overall cleanup: - Following our shell scripts coding-style (spacing, function names) - Rearrangement of the 'main function', being more concise without changing functionality 2007-04-21 17:12 detsch * Installer/bin/ProfileInstall: Removed bunch of comments at the beginning of ProfileInstall scripts. 2007-04-21 16:57 detsch * Installer/bin/GoboLinuxInstaller: Updated old comments. 2007-04-21 15:23 lucasvr * Installer/bin/GoboLinuxInstaller: Configuring known locale settings. 2007-04-21 15:23 lucasvr * Installer/Shared/Installer/Language/tt2_hu_HU.ts: Converted from 8859-2 to UTF-8. 2007-03-07 22:11 lucasvr * Installer/: Shared/Installer/Language/tt2_hu_HU.ts, Shared/Installer/Language/hu_HU/Conclusion, Shared/Installer/Language/hu_HU/Introduction, src/Installer.pro: Added support for Magyar (hu_HU), thanks to the efforts of Viola Zolt?n. ============================= AbsTK ============================= 2007-06-06 03:20 lucasvr * AbsTK/Makefile: SignProgram, ListProgramFiles and some other inheritances from Compile and Scripts Makefile. 2007-06-06 03:08 lucasvr * AbsTK/Makefile: Fixed use of non-existing variable. 2007-06-06 01:42 lucasvr * AbsTK/Makefile: Fixing syntax, while also redirecting stderr to /dev/null. 2007-06-06 01:35 lucasvr * AbsTK/Makefile: Redirecting stdout to /dev/null so that output doesn't get garbled. 2007-06-05 17:16 detsch * AbsTK/Makefile: Do not using old DirPythonCompile anymor to compile python scripts. 2007-03-06 11:20 mohjive * AbsTK/src/: cwizard.py, qtwizard.py: Added support for removing screens 2007-03-02 21:22 mohjive * AbsTK/src/: cwizard.py, qtwizard.py: Added functionallity for adding screens at custom possitions ============================= LiveCD ============================= 2007-06-07 02:22 lucasvr * LiveCD/Makefile: Temporary fix until we discover why pylupdate doesn't like files encoded in utf-8... 2007-06-07 00:48 lucasvr * LiveCD/Data/Language/tt2_hu_HU.ts: Removing "type=$LANG" from 'translation' mark. 2007-06-07 00:45 lucasvr * LiveCD/Makefile: Get new dirs and prune empty ones on update. 2007-05-17 00:04 lucasvr * LiveCD/bin/StartLiveCD: Ensuring that we have the remaning filesystems mounted before launching any application that could benefit from them. 2007-05-02 05:12 lucasvr * LiveCD/bin/ConfigureLiveCD: Adjusting menu size to show all available languages. 2007-04-22 14:37 detsch * LiveCD/Data/Users_gobo/.zshrc: Disabling use of unionsanbox within live cd. 2007-04-21 15:52 lucasvr * LiveCD/Data/Users_gobo/Desktop/: GParted, QtParted: Replaced QtParted desktop icon by GParted. 2007-04-17 15:31 detsch * LiveCD/bin/StartLiveCD: Creating /System/Kernel/Boot/grub/device.map file during boot - *background operation*. It might take some time (~30 sec on my laptop), but almost no CPU is used (< 0.01 sec). So is good to initialize the file here in order to have it already done when the installer is invoked. 2007-03-07 21:25 lucasvr * LiveCD/: Data/Language/LiveCD.pro, Data/Language/Welcome_hu_HU, Data/Language/tt2_hu_HU.ts, Data/Users_gobo/Desktop/Install GoboLinux, bin/ConfigureLiveCD: Added Magyar support to the Installer. Kudos to Viola Z?ltan! From jonka750 at student.liu.se Thu Jun 7 09:57:33 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:57:33 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors In-Reply-To: <147438.9941.qm@web62114.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <147438.9941.qm@web62114.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:10:23 +0200, Hi There wrote: >> On 6/6/07, Hi There wrote: >>> >Which revision are you using there (take a look into >>> >/Programs/Udev/Current/Resources/Revision). A recipe >>> >for r4 was >>> >uploaded some weeks ago, and the binary package is >>> >available now >>> >(linked against glibc 2.5, but it will probably work >>> on 2.4). >>> >>> Was r2, I'm guessing you were using r2 with my fix? >>> my Manager doesn't list r4 (package or recipe) >>> even after telling it to "Update Remote Lists". >>> InstallPackage got it though. I have glibc 2.5 so the >>> package should work ok. >>> BTW, the -S option seems to get ignored by > -=snip=- >>> Executed SymlinkProgram to get the new r4 package >>> linked in properly. > >> What version of Scripts are you running there? That >> bug should be >> fixed in the last version of Scripts, which is also >> being hold before >> someone tests it (could you please do that, too?) : >> >> http://lucasvr.gobolinux.org/etc/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2 > > I had 2.6.4-r1 installed. Just installed new Scripts, > symlinked w/ overwrite after the install. > > InstallPackage still ignores -S, fails to symlink > after detecting an invalid signature. > Strange, if you still experiance this with the latest version of Scripts (2.6.5), could you please file a bug, so it wont be forgotten about? >>> I get the same mess of errors with 110 r4 as I did >>> with r2. Should I remove Jonas' fix now? > This fix is obsolete with r4 and will automatically removed with 'UpdateSettings'. >> Did you 'UpdateSettings Udev'? > > No... Now that's a new one for me. Some messages a > while ago only mentioned SymlinkProgram as a > workaround for the signature errors :/ > Are there other programs I should have used > UpdateSettings with after symlinking in new versions? > This is a miss. When an installation is aborted due to bad signature you have to run UpdateSettings as well. UpdateSettings should be run before SymlinkProgram. Please file a bug report against the packages that fail signature checking and include the version of Scripts and an output from VerifyProgram. There's a category for that, 'packages', in the bugtracker. >>> >> Looks like udev is at version 112 now, maybe it's time >>> >> for an updated recipe? >>> >>> >Are you volunteering? :-) >>> >>> Heh, of course I tried before writing that, but udev >>> looks like it requires some special patchwork. I think >>> there's only one person familiar enough with it to do >>> the job right ;) >> Sure. Jonas, are you listening? :-) > > hehe > I'm listening, but I'm also very busy atm. :/ As r4 should work, and the Udev changelog didn't list any big changes I wont look at this until next week or so. >>> powered by Error while initializing the sound driver: >>> device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or >>> directory) >>> :( > >> hehehe. Please try to run 'UpdateSettings Udev' + >> reboot to see if it >> works fine after that. > > Ran UpdateSettings Udev, used the new files in each > case, rebooted, same mess of udev errors :( > > Is there an error log specific to udev? > Not that I'm aware of. I'll also look into getting our bootlog more verbose next week. You could try the old paper and pen log. ;) To give you more time you can press 'Scroll lck' on your keyboard to stop the boot messages. Then you should be able to scroll with pgup and pgdn (that works here at least). Also select a boot theme that prints out the results of the commands, such as splitscreen or slack. -- /Jonas From molfar.ua at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 16:42:07 2007 From: molfar.ua at gmail.com (molfar) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:42:07 +0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting In-Reply-To: <200706070914.10993.mla-gobo@forrussia.org> References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> <200706070914.10993.mla-gobo@forrussia.org> Message-ID: <49e748a90706070942g31d4ee49o81648f7eba827bb8@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/07, MLA-Gobo wrote: > P.S. Molfar, what is that font you are using? I like. I dunno)) It's called "Poolhouse.otf" in my library. What I definitely know is that it is an OpenType font. I use only top-notch ingredients in my work :)) --- btw, I'd vote for molfar2 (GoboAir) or molfar6 (GoboWater) myself. However, since I'm a little biased)))) I'd like to credit Hisham's work as well. Especially his first contribution. Regards, molfar From magnusjjj at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 18:50:46 2007 From: magnusjjj at gmail.com (magnus joh) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:50:46 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting In-Reply-To: <49e748a90706070942g31d4ee49o81648f7eba827bb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> <200706070914.10993.mla-gobo@forrussia.org> <49e748a90706070942g31d4ee49o81648f7eba827bb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4778f3e20706071150j5a4aa705rd6c17dd1b8fd96d9@mail.gmail.com> I vote for Molfar 1. 2007/6/7, molfar : > > On 6/7/07, MLA-Gobo wrote: > > P.S. Molfar, what is that font you are using? I like. > I dunno)) It's called "Poolhouse.otf" in my library. What I definitely > know is that it is an OpenType font. I use only top-notch ingredients > in my work :)) > > --- > btw, I'd vote for molfar2 (GoboAir) or molfar6 (GoboWater) myself. > However, since I'm a little biased)))) I'd like to credit Hisham's > work as well. Especially his first contribution. > > Regards, > molfar > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070607/7162c987/attachment.htm From goboster at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 19:05:13 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <263075.61454.qm@web62105.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Jonas wrote: >>>> [Udev-110] Was r2, >I'm guessing you were using r2 with my fix? Yep, still get these errors at startup and shutdown like: udevd-event[4379]: delete_path: rmdir(/System/Kernel/Devices) failed: Device or Resource busy udevd-event[4380]: run_program: exec of program '/lib/udev/udev_run_hotplugd' failed udevd-event[4381]: run_program: exec of program '/lib/udev/udev_run_devd' failed etc. >>> my Manager doesn't list r4 (package or recipe) >>> even after telling it to "Update Remote Lists". >>> InstallPackage got it though. I have glibc 2.5 so the >>> package should work ok. >>> BTW, the -S option seems to get ignored by > -=snip=- >>> Executed SymlinkProgram to get the new r4 package >>> linked in properly. > >> What version of Scripts are you running there? That >> bug should be >> fixed in the last version of Scripts, which is also >> being hold before >> someone tests it (could you please do that, too?) : >> >> http://lucasvr.gobolinux.org/etc/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2 > > I had 2.6.4-r1 installed. Just installed new Scripts, > symlinked w/ overwrite after the install. > >> InstallPackage still ignores -S, fails to symlink >> after detecting an invalid signature. >> >Strange, if you still experiance this with the >latest >version of Scripts (2.6.5), could you please file a bug, >so it wont be forgotten about? OK Tried to signup for an account on the bug tracker, got the error: APPLICATION ERROR #12 This account is protected. You are not allowed to access this until the account protection is lifted. I'm using Konqueror in case that matters. >>>> I get the same mess of errors with 110 r4 as I did >>>> with r2. Should I remove Jonas' fix now? >> >This fix is obsolete with r4 and will automatically >removed with 'UpdateSettings'. Good to know... >>> Did you 'UpdateSettings Udev'? >> >> No... Now that's a new one for me. Some messages a >> while ago only mentioned SymlinkProgram as a >> workaround for the signature errors :/ >> Are there other programs I should have used >> UpdateSettings with after symlinking in new versions? >> >This is a miss. When an installation is aborted due to bad >signature you have to run UpdateSettings as well. >UpdateSettings should be run before SymlinkProgram. >Please file a bug report against the packages that fail >signature checking and include the version of Scripts and >an output from VerifyProgram. There's a category for that, >'packages', in the bugtracker. OK, udev is just one of many. I was hoping that the problem would just become obsolete as new packages with correct signatures become available, and with the InstallPackage -S feature. In any case, I've re-IntallPackaged udev 110-r4, ran UpdateSettings first (used new on all files), and then SymlinkProgram. Still getting the same errors. Got the following messages from UpdateSettings: root at homecomputer /]UpdateSettings udev UpdateSettings: Current and default settings are different 1 del: Settings/udev/rules.d/10-udev.rules 2 mod: Settings/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules 3 mod: Settings/udev/rules.d/51-hotplug.rules 4 del: Settings/udev/rules.d/75-cd-aliases-generator.rules 5 del: Settings/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules UpdateSettings: Quick-updating settings in /Programs/Udev UpdateSettings: Backing up settings in /Programs/Udev/Current/Resources/SettingsBackup-1 UpdateSettings: auto: Not deleting Settings/udev/rules.d/10-udev.rules 2 mod: Settings/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules [A]uto-merge/[V]iew/[U]se new/[S]kip/[L]ist/[M]erge and edit/[SA]Skip all u UpdateSettings: user: Using Current/Resources/Defaults/Settings/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules 3 mod: Settings/udev/rules.d/51-hotplug.rules [A]uto-merge/[V]iew/[U]se new/[S]kip/[L]ist/[M]erge and edit/[SA]Skip all u UpdateSettings: user: Using Current/Resources/Defaults/Settings/udev/rules.d/51-hotplug.rules UpdateSettings: auto: Not deleting Settings/udev/rules.d/75-cd-aliases-generator.rules UpdateSettings: auto: Not deleting Settings/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules Does that look ok? >>>> >> Looks like udev is at version 112 now, maybe it's time >>>> >> for an updated recipe? >>>> >>>> >Are you volunteering? :-) >>>> >>>> Heh, of course I tried before writing that, but udev >>>> looks like it requires some special patchwork. I think >>>> there's only one person familiar enough with it to do >>>> the job right ;) >>> Sure. Jonas, are you listening? :-) >> >> hehe >> >I'm listening, but I'm also very busy atm. :/ >As r4 should work, and the Udev changelog didn't list any >big changes I wont look at this until next week or so. What were the changes between udev-105 and 110 that make new rules necessary? I wonder because I didn't have trouble before with 105 >>>> powered by Error while initializing the sound driver: >>>> device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or >>>> directory) >>>> :( >> >>> hehehe. Please try to run 'UpdateSettings Udev' + >>> reboot to see if it >>> works fine after that. >> >> Ran UpdateSettings Udev, used the new files in each >> case, rebooted, same mess of udev errors :( >> >> Is there an error log specific to udev? >> >Not that I'm aware of. I'll also look into getting our >bootlog more verbose next week. >You could try the old paper and pen log. ;) >To give you more time you can press 'Scroll lck' on your >keyboard to stop the boot messages. Then you should be able >to scroll with pgup and pgdn (that works here at least). That's what I'm doing. Was just hoping there's an easier way. I'm afraid some key message might be output in the mess of other errors. Probably not though. (See above for example errors). >Also select a boot theme that prints out the results of the >commands, such as splitscreen or slack. > >-- >/Jonas Ooo, now that's also a new one for me. I added framebuffer at graphical boot so I could see more of what's going on, how would I enable splitscreen (or slack)? Thanks for the help! -Mike ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL From violazoli at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 19:26:26 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:26:26 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting In-Reply-To: <4778f3e20706071150j5a4aa705rd6c17dd1b8fd96d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> <200706070914.10993.mla-gobo@forrussia.org> <49e748a90706070942g31d4ee49o81648f7eba827bb8@mail.gmail.com> <4778f3e20706071150j5a4aa705rd6c17dd1b8fd96d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I vote for Molfar 4. 2007/6/7, magnus joh : > > I vote for Molfar 1. > > 2007/6/7, molfar : > > > > On 6/7/07, MLA-Gobo wrote: > > > P.S. Molfar, what is that font you are using? I like. > > I dunno)) It's called "Poolhouse.otf" in my library. What I definitely > > know is that it is an OpenType font. I use only top-notch ingredients > > in my work :)) > > > > --- > > btw, I'd vote for molfar2 (GoboAir) or molfar6 (GoboWater) myself. > > However, since I'm a little biased)))) I'd like to credit Hisham's > > work as well. Especially his first contribution. > > > > Regards, > > molfar > > _______________________________________________ > > gobolinux-users mailing list > > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > > -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070607/752076f0/attachment.htm From mjr at phonecoop.coop Thu Jun 7 19:34:07 2007 From: mjr at phonecoop.coop (MJ Ray) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:34:07 +0100 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46685daf.9NNlS7fwKbsjgxKn%mjr@phonecoop.coop> "Hisham Muhammad" wrote: > http://gobolinux.org/wallpaper_contest/ Can you point bpgallery or similar at it, please? They're all bigger than I can make my browser window, so it's hard to get an overview. I'm happy with on-list discussion/voting, or I'll set up a web poll form if you want. Regards, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ From jonka750 at student.liu.se Thu Jun 7 19:58:37 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:58:37 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <76a336670706071258h627d7eebh57574bfeabcb9ab2@mail.gmail.com> 2007/6/6, Hisham Muhammad : > Ideas on how to proceed with voting? Should I create an online poll or > is it enough to do it here through the mailing list? > I vote for an online poll, to allow all gobolinux users participate. Not just those that hang around on this list. -- /Jonas From frederico at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 05:16:03 2007 From: frederico at gmail.com (Frederico Recsky) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 02:16:03 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] GoboLinux NetInstall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88fe68ee0706072216g29cbd3a4we5fd4bb00fb970a2@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On 6/1/07, Viola Zolt?n wrote: > > My big idea: GoboLinux NetInstall Script! > > As I think, all GoboLinux system is define-able with a simple TXT file. > This file should write the default language, charset, the programs of > /Programs, etc. I think, should write a script, what should run under > another Linux system, and we give to this script a parameter: only one txt > file. For example: > > GoboLinuxNetInstall MySystem.txt You can do nearly of this with ChrootCompile. I do this with my suse box, download the package and start to compile my "random" gobolinux system. :) To say trust I don' t wait the end of compilation ... As good perl programmer, my laziness makes me take the /ChrootCompile/1.0.2/Data/PackagesList and put in each line "InstallPackage". Using rootless gobolinux (pointed to another partition) I run and this make a fully already functional gobo without boot any cd :). I have to configure grub by hand also. I remember that the last package was the glibc, because the installpackage Glibc requires kernel 2.6.20 and suse comes with 2.6.18, also I instaled "by hand". ps: Crazy, to think about, if you install cygwin and rootless inside, maybe you can install a gobo with same process from windows.. :P Easy (mm, maybe not so easy, but ...) []'s -- ____________________________ Frederico Recsky Linux User: #253572 http://www.fred.eti.br http://www.perl.org.br -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070608/d16b36b4/attachment-0001.htm From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 8 05:25:20 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:25:20 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] GoboLinux NetInstall In-Reply-To: <88fe68ee0706072216g29cbd3a4we5fd4bb00fb970a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <88fe68ee0706072216g29cbd3a4we5fd4bb00fb970a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4668E840.3010704@online.no> Frederico Recsky wrote: > Hi, > > On 6/1/07, *Viola Zolt?n* > wrote: > > My big idea: GoboLinux NetInstall Script! > > As I think, all GoboLinux system is define-able with a simple TXT > file. This file should write the default language, charset, the > programs of /Programs, etc. I think, should write a script, what > should run under another Linux system, and we give to this script a > parameter: only one txt file. For example: > > GoboLinuxNetInstall MySystem.txt > > > You can do nearly of this with ChrootCompile. I do this with my suse > box, download the package and start to compile my "random" gobolinux > system. :) To say trust I don' t wait the end of compilation ... > > As good perl programmer, my laziness makes me take the > /ChrootCompile/1.0.2/Data/PackagesList and put in each line > "InstallPackage". > Using rootless gobolinux (pointed to another partition) I run and this > make a fully already functional gobo without boot any cd :). I have to > configure grub by hand also. > I remember that the last package was the glibc, because the > installpackage Glibc requires kernel 2.6.20 and suse comes with 2.6.18, > also I instaled "by hand". > > ps: Crazy, to think about, if you install cygwin and rootless inside, > maybe you can install a gobo with same process from windows.. :P Easy > (mm, maybe not so easy, but ...) > hmm, can cygwin write to ext formated partitions from inside windows? if so it may well be workable. but i wonder if one could get grup into the right locations from inside windows... From violazoli at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 17:48:24 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:48:24 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Recipe for BashBurn? Message-ID: I try make a recipe for BashBurn, but... pv at Csiszilla ~]MakeRecipe http://mesh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bashburn/BashBurn-2.0.tar.gz MakeRecipe: Creating recipe template for BashBurn version 2.0. MakeRecipe: Press Enter to continue or Ctrl-C to cancel. --19:44:18-- http://mesh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bashburn/BashBurn-2.0.tar.gz => `BashBurn-2.0.tar.gz' IP keres?s mesh.dl.sourceforge.net... 213.203.218.122 Connecting to mesh.dl.sourceforge.net|213.203.218.122|:80... kapcsol?dva. HTTP k?r?s elk?ldve, v?rom a v?laszt... 200 OK Hossz: 94.548 (92K) [application/x-tar] 100%[========================================================>] 94.548 62.06K/s 19:44:20 (61.94 KB/s) - `BashBurn-2.0.tar.gz' saved [94548/94548] MakeRecipe: Could not detect recipe type. Recipe needs to be completed manually. pv at Csiszilla ~]Compile bashburn Compile: Locating a recipe for bashburn ... Compile: Found recipe for bashburn GetRecipe: Trying to get /Files/Compile/LocalRecipes/BashBurn/2.0 Compile: Recipe placed in /Files/Compile/LocalRecipes/BashBurn/2.0 Compile: Checking dependencies... Compile: Compiling BashBurn version 2.0. Compile: Unpacking file /Files/Compile/Archives/BashBurn-2.0.tar.gz... Compile: Unsupported configuration in recipe '/Files/Compile/LocalRecipes/BashBurn/2.0/Recipe'. The Recipe: # Recipe (MakeRecipe) for BashBurn by Viola Zoltan (English order: Zoltan Viola) violazoli at gmail.com, on 2007. j?n. 8., p?ntek, 19.44.17 CEST # Recipe for version 2.0 by Viola Zoltan (English order: Zoltan Viola) violazoli at gmail.com, on 2007. j?n. 8., p?ntek, 19.44.17 CEST compile_version=1.8.4 url="$httpSourceforge/bashburn/BashBurn-2.0.tar.gz" file_size=94548 file_md5=a94916b9702fc4bc8edfd47582be9d99 Zoli -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070608/aa046f8c/attachment.htm From john at foseda.com Fri Jun 8 18:42:32 2007 From: john at foseda.com (John Griessen) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:42:32 -0500 Subject: [gobolinux-users] rootless on non X86 Message-ID: <4669A318.7000007@foseda.com> Hi, can we create a rootless installation on a non X86 hardware like powerpc or sparc, which DO have linux kernels... I think so from what I read of the docs... just needs basic UNIX shell to work, right? Thanks, John Griessen From hisham.hm at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 19:20:39 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (Hisham Muhammad) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:20:39 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] rootless on non X86 In-Reply-To: <4669A318.7000007@foseda.com> References: <4669A318.7000007@foseda.com> Message-ID: <5e7d91620706081220y86d4783qc233da4098831ae0@mail.gmail.com> On 6/8/07, John Griessen wrote: > Hi, > > can we create a rootless installation on a non X86 hardware like powerpc or sparc, which DO > have linux kernels... I think so from what I read of the docs... just needs basic UNIX shell > to work, right? Yes. I use it on Linux-PPC, and even on Mac OS X-PPC, though you need to install some extra GNU packages (listed in the Rootless page) to use it in a BSD-based system: http://gobolinux.org/index.php?page=rootless -- Hisham From john at foseda.com Fri Jun 8 19:30:21 2007 From: john at foseda.com (John Griessen) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:30:21 -0500 Subject: [gobolinux-users] rootless on non X86 In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706081220y86d4783qc233da4098831ae0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4669A318.7000007@foseda.com> <5e7d91620706081220y86d4783qc233da4098831ae0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4669AE4D.6060600@foseda.com> Hisham Muhammad wrote: > Yes. I use it on Linux-PPC, and even on Mac OS X-PPC, though you need > to install some extra GNU packages (listed in the Rootless page) to > use it in a BSD-based system: > http://gobolinux.org/index.php?page=rootless > > -- Hisham Wow, thanks. All three -- BSD on Sparc, debian on Mac, and Fink on OSX! This means it is great for promoting open source hardware and embedded software design tools to engineers that mostly use Windows because the Corp. installs it on the computers they give them. What does the limitation about making valid binary packages mean? You can compile packages to run in your rootless, but not ready to distribute? BSD on Sparc needs these, right? * GNU Bash * GNU CoreUtils * GNU Sed * GNU Wget Thanks, John Griessen From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 8 21:08:16 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:08:16 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Recipe for BashBurn? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/8/07, Viola Zolt?n wrote: > I try make a recipe for BashBurn, but... > > pv at Csiszilla ~]MakeRecipe > http://mesh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bashburn/BashBurn-2.0.tar.gz > MakeRecipe: Creating recipe template for BashBurn version 2.0. > MakeRecipe: Press Enter to continue or Ctrl-C to cancel. > > Compile: Unsupported configuration in recipe see ----------^^^^^^^^^^ > '/Files/Compile/LocalRecipes/BashBurn/2.0/Recipe'. > > The Recipe: > > # Recipe (MakeRecipe) for BashBurn by Viola Zoltan (English order: Zoltan > Viola) violazoli at gmail.com, on 2007. j?n. 8., p?ntek, 19.44.17 CEST > # Recipe for version 2.0 by Viola Zoltan (English order: Zoltan Viola) > violazoli at gmail.com, on 2007. j?n. 8., p?ntek, 19.44.17 CEST > compile_version=1.8.4 > url="$httpSourceforge/bashburn/BashBurn- 2.0.tar.gz" > file_size=94548 > file_md5=a94916b9702fc4bc8edfd47582be9d99 > > Basically MakeRecipe can't determine how to build BashBurn. We only support a handful of types. The most popular being ./configure and plain make. The name BashBurn implies its a bash script. Most likely no need to compile anything. Look into the manifest recipe type to just copy files over to /Programs -- Carlo J. Calica From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 8 21:20:46 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:20:46 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting In-Reply-To: <76a336670706071258h627d7eebh57574bfeabcb9ab2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e7d91620706061212r416bbedh8cbd8ec1a3ee91d2@mail.gmail.com> <76a336670706071258h627d7eebh57574bfeabcb9ab2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/7/07, Jonas Karlsson wrote: > 2007/6/6, Hisham Muhammad : > > > Ideas on how to proceed with voting? Should I create an online poll or > > is it enough to do it here through the mailing list? > > > I vote for an online poll, to allow all gobolinux users participate. > Not just those that hang around on this list. I agree. But my vote is somewhat complicated. I like molfar with a different one for each desktop. Otherwise I like viola2 (I've been using hisham2 for years heheh). -- Carlo J. Calica From violazoli at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 21:24:30 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 23:24:30 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] iptables problem Message-ID: I Compile succeeded the iptables. I try create its "rules". But write me any "missing module": pv at Csiszilla /Programs/Iptables/Settings]./szabalyok iptables v1.3.2: Couldn't load match `psd':/Programs/Iptables/1.3.2/lib/iptables/libipt_psd.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory In the "szabalyok" script is the following: #!/bin/zsh #Minden tilos, ami nincs k?l?n enged?lyezve iptables -P INPUT DROP; iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT #Tudni akarom, ki csatlakozik az FTP szerveremhez. iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 21 -j LOG --log-prefix "[FTP_KAPCSOLAT] " #enged?lyezni akarom a bej?v? FTP,WWW,SMTP kapcsolatokat. iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports ftp,www,smtp -j ACCEPT #A portscan-gyan?s csomagokat el akarom dobni. # (csak ha bele van patch-elve a kernelbe) iptables -I INPUT -m psd --psd-weight-threshold 60 --psd-delay-threshold 10000 --psd-lo-ports-weight 10 --psd-hi-ports-weight 5 -j REJECT #Enged?lyezem a 62144 portot az Azureus sz?m?ra iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 62144 -j ACCEPT I try the following usable of iptables: - all is disabled, if not explicit enabled. - log of the FTP connections - enabled www, ftp, smtp connections, and the 62144 port for decentralized tracking of Azureus bittorrent kliens - if a package seems to portscan, this should rejected And, it is not done: I want enable the https, ftps. And I want, the root user CANNOT access to Internet with any port (nothing input and output to/from Internet) , BUT the wget (only the root-used wget) yes if the root user use this wget progs (this need for the Compile and InstallPackage as root). Of course, the wget can used by the non-root-privilegized user. But the root can connect to the Internet only with the wget. How can I make this? And, what is the best methode, automatic starting of the iptables at bootup? Thanks! (btw: I am TOTAL beginner in the NET-knowledge! This is me first probe in the firewall-themes...) Zoli -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070608/b9b94b60/attachment-0001.htm From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 8 21:34:58 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:34:58 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] GoboLinux NetInstall In-Reply-To: <88fe68ee0706072216g29cbd3a4we5fd4bb00fb970a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <88fe68ee0706072216g29cbd3a4we5fd4bb00fb970a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/7/07, Frederico Recsky wrote: > > ps: Crazy, to think about, if you install cygwin and rootless inside, maybe > you can install a gobo with same process from windows.. :P Easy (mm, maybe > not so easy, but ...) > Need a ext3 fs driver for windows and a cross compiler but yeah. -- Carlo J. Calica From violazoli at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 22:37:10 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:37:10 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] GoboLinux NetInstall In-Reply-To: References: <88fe68ee0706072216g29cbd3a4we5fd4bb00fb970a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hm, I think as first only NetInstall under any another Linux-system, and not for under Window$... Zoli 2007/6/8, Carlo Calica : > > On 6/7/07, Frederico Recsky wrote: > > > > ps: Crazy, to think about, if you install cygwin and rootless inside, > maybe > > you can install a gobo with same process from windows.. :P Easy (mm, > maybe > > not so easy, but ...) > > > > Need a ext3 fs driver for windows and a cross compiler but yeah. > -- > Carlo J. Calica > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070609/3ea034d1/attachment.htm From rico.thorn at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 23:38:36 2007 From: rico.thorn at gmail.com (=RiCo=) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 01:38:36 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting Message-ID: > > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:20:46 -0700 > From: "Carlo Calica" > Subject: Re: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper contest: voting > To: gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 6/7/07, Jonas Karlsson wrote: > > 2007/6/6, Hisham Muhammad : > > > > > Ideas on how to proceed with voting? Should I create an online poll or > > > is it enough to do it here through the mailing list? > > > > > I vote for an online poll, to allow all gobolinux users participate. > > Not just those that hang around on this list. > > I agree. > > But my vote is somewhat complicated. I like molfar with a different > one for each desktop. Otherwise I like viola2 (I've been using > hisham2 for years heheh). > > -- > Carlo J. Calica i vote for hisham1 :D -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070609/435c1066/attachment.htm From rubisher at scarlet.be Sat Jun 9 17:34:51 2007 From: rubisher at scarlet.be (rubisher) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 17:34:51 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to update Linux Kernel? Message-ID: <466AE4BB.8090802@scarlet.be> Hello *, I am playing for severall years now with a debian distro (since about 2000). I unfortunately discover this GoboLinux lately 2 weeks ago and install it last week. So many use to do to change and a lot to learn ;-). At a first glance, I so took an old ide disk which I split in 2 slices: a swap and a root, to install release 013 of GoboLinux install CD. All seems to works fine (just have to bypass OpenOffice install which seems to be broken on my CD): so time to play to learn . I first install Freshen, cool ;-) Then run Freshen which learn me that to update GLibc I need a newer kernel. Ok On wiki page I find: # Compile Linux Compile: Locating a recipe for Linux ... Compile: Found recipe for Linux GetRecipe: Trying to get /Files/Compile/Recipes/Linux/2.6.21.1-r2 Compile: Recipe placed in /Files/Compile/Recipes/Linux/2.6.21.1-r2 Compile: Checking dependencies... Compile: Compiling Linux version 2.6.21.1-r2. Compile: Recipe was created with Compile 1.8.2, which is more recent than the one you have installed. Compilation may fail, upgrade ('InstallPackage Compile') is recommended. Compile: Press Enter to continue or Ctrl-C to cancel. --14:16:54-- http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.21.1.tar.bz2 => `linux-2.6.21.1.tar.bz2' Resolving www.us.kernel.org... 216.176.132.235, 216.92.2.151, 216.165.129.139, ... Connecting to www.us.kernel.org|216.176.132.235|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content Length: 44,016,634 (42M), 5,628,969 (5.4M) remaining [application/x-tar] [snip] # # configuration written to .config # # Compile: Reported version (2.6.21.1) does not match version (2.6.21.1-r2). Please fix recipe. To bad. But there i also an official package Linux 2.6.20.7-rc2: it could be great also, so: # InstallPackage Linux 2.6.20.7-r2 InstallPackage: Locating a binary package for Linux 2.6.20.7-r2... InstallPackage: Found package for Linux 2.6.20.7-r2: http://kundor.org/gobo/packages/official/Linux--2.6.20.7-r2--i686.tar.bz2 InstallPackage: Downloading package to /System/Variable/tmp/Linux--2.6.20.7-r2--i686.tar.bz2. --15:48:43-- http://kundor.org/gobo/packages/official/Linux--2.6.20.7-r2--i686.tar.bz2 => `/System/Variable/tmp/Linux--2.6.20.7-r2--i686.tar.bz2' Resolving kundor.org... 134.53.131.15 Connecting to kundor.org|134.53.131.15|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content Length: 28,419,621 (27M), 19,396,672 (18M) remaining [application/x-tar] 100%[+++++++++++=========================>] 28,419,621 47.74K/s ETA 00:00 15:55:54 (44.15 KB/s) - `/System/Variable/tmp/Linux--2.6.20.7-r2--i686.tar.bz2' saved [28419621/28419621] InstallPackage: Installing Linux, version 2.6.20.7-r2. InstallPackage: Uncompressing to /Programs... VerifyProgram: Couldn't find a proper version for Linux. InstallPackage: Invalid signature. Package has been modified InstallPackage: Suspect package in /Programs/Linux/2.6.20.7-r2 InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package /System/Variable/tmp/Linux--2.6.20.7-r2--i686.tar.bz2. (this last error also occures when I tried to install OpenOffice: # InstallPackage OpenOffice InstallPackage: Locating a binary package for OpenOffice ... InstallPackage: Installing http://kundor.org/gobo/packages/official/OpenOffice--2.2.0--i686.tar.bz2 InstallPackage: Press Enter to continue or Ctrl-C to cancel. InstallPackage: Downloading package to /System/Variable/tmp/OpenOffice--2.2.0--i686.tar.bz2. --11:38:42-- http://kundor.org/gobo/packages/official/OpenOffice--2.2.0--i686.tar.bz2 => `/System/Variable/tmp/OpenOffice--2.2.0--i686.tar.bz2' Resolving kundor.org... 134.53.131.15 Connecting to kundor.org|134.53.131.15|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 122,742,860 (117M) [application/x-tar] 100%[====================================>] 122,742,860 54.17K/s ETA 00:00 13:15:03 (20.74 KB/s) - `/System/Variable/tmp/OpenOffice--2.2.0--i686.tar.bz2' saved [122742860/122742860] InstallPackage: Installing OpenOffice, version 2.2.0. InstallPackage: Uncompressing to /Programs... InstallPackage: Invalid signature. Package has been modified InstallPackage: Suspect package in /Programs/OpenOffice/2.2.0 InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package /System/Variable/tmp/OpenOffice--2.2.0--i686.tar.bz2. All help would be appreciated. Tia, r. From rubisher at scarlet.be Sat Jun 9 17:46:05 2007 From: rubisher at scarlet.be (rubisher) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 17:46:05 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to Start dsl connection at boot time? Message-ID: <466AE75D.8000509@scarlet.be> Hello all, I haven't encounter any pb to configure my pppoe interface to my isp. I can easily start and stop it manualy but how should I started automaticaly at system boot? I try to have a look at wiki pages but I just find dhcp and static as BootProto, is there any other for dsl connection? Tia, r. From nereusren at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 19:07:53 2007 From: nereusren at gmail.com (Andy Feldman) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:07:53 -0500 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to Start dsl connection at boot time? In-Reply-To: <466AE75D.8000509@scarlet.be> References: <466AE75D.8000509@scarlet.be> Message-ID: <51c95f840706091207j29bb09ber49331fdfcfd9916b@mail.gmail.com> There's three ways to enable a new type of network at boot... but some are more "elegant" than others. The quick, basic way is to put all the steps you use to manually start it into /System/Settings/BootScripts/BootUp. I don't know anything about pppoe, but if you had to run cmd1, cmd2, and then cmd3, you could add a line like this: Exec "Enabling PPPOE..." cmd1; cmd2; cmd3 If the commands are very long and you don't want to string them together on one line, write a script that has them all and then call the script from the BootUp file just like the above. There is a similar Shutdown file in the same BootScripts folder where you can put any disconnection commands. One more elegant way is to take advantage of the Network framework that already exists for DHCP/Static interfaces. If you add a function to /System/Settings/NetworkOptions called [interface]_PreUp it will be called before running ifconfig to bring the interface up. Similarly, there are PostUp, PreDown, and PostDown functions you can use for any steps that take place at those times. For example, I have a wifi connection secured with WPA2. Before I can take the ath0 interface up with ifconfig and get my IP with DHCP, I need to enable a supplicant program to handle the encryption. I have the following stuff in NetworkOptions: ath0_BootProto=DHCP NetworkInterfacesOnBoot=( "lo" "ath0" ) function ath0_PreUp() { echo "Enabling WPA Supplicant, please wait..." wpa_supplicant -i ath0 -c /Users/nereusren/.wpa_supplicant/wpa2.conf -D wext -B sleep 5s } Alternatively, if PPPOE is too different from Static or DHCP or you really want to make the "correct" solution, you could write a new network Task to add PPPOE as a BootProto type. Have a look at /System/Links/Tasks/DHCPNetworkInterface to see how it's done for DHCP, and you should be able to figure out how to add one for PPPOE. /S/L/T/Network automatically calls [BootProto]NetworkInterface for whatever the BootProto is in NetworkOptions, so all you need to do is add a PPPOENetworkInterface task. If you do go this route you should consider adding the Task to the RP-PPPoE recipe and submitting it (or just sending it to this list) so others can take advantage of it. Hope that helps, -Andy On 6/9/07, rubisher wrote: > I haven't encounter any pb to configure my pppoe interface to my isp. > > I can easily start and stop it manualy but how should I started automaticaly at system boot? > > I try to have a look at wiki pages but I just find dhcp and static as BootProto, is there any other for dsl connection? From rubisher at scarlet.be Sat Jun 9 19:43:27 2007 From: rubisher at scarlet.be (rubisher) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:43:27 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to Start dsl connection at boot time? In-Reply-To: <51c95f840706091207j29bb09ber49331fdfcfd9916b@mail.gmail.com> References: <466AE75D.8000509@scarlet.be> <51c95f840706091207j29bb09ber49331fdfcfd9916b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <466B02DF.20307@scarlet.be> Andy Feldman wrote: > There's three ways to enable a new type of network at boot... but some > are more "elegant" than others. > > The quick, basic way is to put all the steps you use to manually start > it into /System/Settings/BootScripts/BootUp. I don't know anything > about pppoe, but if you had to run cmd1, cmd2, and then cmd3, you > could add a line like this: > > Exec "Enabling PPPOE..." cmd1; cmd2; cmd3 > > If the commands are very long and you don't want to string them > together on one line, write a script that has them all and then call > the script from the BootUp file just like the above. There is a > similar Shutdown file in the same BootScripts folder where you can put > any disconnection commands. > > One more elegant way is to take advantage of the Network framework > that already exists for DHCP/Static interfaces. If you add a function > to /System/Settings/NetworkOptions called [interface]_PreUp it will be > called before running ifconfig to bring the interface up. Similarly, > there are PostUp, PreDown, and PostDown functions you can use for any > steps that take place at those times. > > For example, I have a wifi connection secured with WPA2. Before I can > take the ath0 interface up with ifconfig and get my IP with DHCP, I > need to enable a supplicant program to handle the encryption. I have > the following stuff in NetworkOptions: > > ath0_BootProto=DHCP > NetworkInterfacesOnBoot=( > "lo" > "ath0" > ) > function ath0_PreUp() { > echo "Enabling WPA Supplicant, please wait..." > wpa_supplicant -i ath0 -c > /Users/nereusren/.wpa_supplicant/wpa2.conf -D wext -B > sleep 5s > } > > Alternatively, if PPPOE is too different from Static or DHCP or you > really want to make the "correct" solution, you could write a new > network Task to add PPPOE as a BootProto type. Have a look at > /System/Links/Tasks/DHCPNetworkInterface to see how it's done for > DHCP, and you should be able to figure out how to add one for PPPOE. > /S/L/T/Network automatically calls [BootProto]NetworkInterface for > whatever the BootProto is in NetworkOptions, so all you need to do is > add a PPPOENetworkInterface task. > > If you do go this route you should consider adding the Task to the > RP-PPPoE recipe and submitting it (or just sending it to this list) so > others can take advantage of it. > > Hope that helps, > -Andy > more clear then that I die ;<) I will investigate your proposal and report to the list my results ;-) Tx, r. > On 6/9/07, rubisher wrote: >> I haven't encounter any pb to configure my pppoe interface to my isp. >> >> I can easily start and stop it manualy but how should I started automaticaly at system boot? >> >> I try to have a look at wiki pages but I just find dhcp and static as BootProto, is there any other for dsl connection? > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > > From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Sat Jun 9 23:01:39 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:01:39 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to update Linux Kernel? In-Reply-To: <466AE4BB.8090802@scarlet.be> References: <466AE4BB.8090802@scarlet.be> Message-ID: On 6/10/07, rubisher wrote: > Hello *, > InstallPackage: Invalid signature. Package has been modified > InstallPackage: Suspect package in /Programs/OpenOffice/2.2.0 > InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package /System/Variable/tmp/OpenOffice--2.2.0--i686.tar.bz2. I think you need to upgrade your Scripts - you definitely need to upgrade Compile (like it said, recipes from newer versions are prone to failure). `InstallPackage Scripts` and `InstallPackage Compile`. You may need to call `SymlinkProgram Scripts ` manually after InstallPackage, since the signature failure means it won't do it itself. After that things should run as expected. -Michael From nereusren at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 23:16:49 2007 From: nereusren at gmail.com (Andy Feldman) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:16:49 -0500 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to update Linux Kernel? In-Reply-To: References: <466AE4BB.8090802@scarlet.be> Message-ID: <51c95f840706091616i14ea299cq7a52d9428d16f194@mail.gmail.com> Devs, a related suggestion for 014: During the installation process, attempt to fetch the latest packages for Scripts and Compile, or inform the user that they should do it themselves as the first step after installation. That should go a long way in future-proofing the .iso against problems like this. On 6/9/07, Michael Homer wrote: > On 6/10/07, rubisher wrote: > > Hello *, > > > InstallPackage: Invalid signature. Package has been modified > > InstallPackage: Suspect package in /Programs/OpenOffice/2.2.0 > > InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package /System/Variable/tmp/OpenOffice--2.2.0--i686.tar.bz2. > I think you need to upgrade your Scripts - you definitely need to > upgrade Compile (like it said, recipes from newer versions are prone > to failure). `InstallPackage Scripts` and `InstallPackage Compile`. > You may need to call `SymlinkProgram Scripts ` manually after > InstallPackage, since the signature failure means it won't do it > itself. After that things should run as expected. > -Michael > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > From hisham.hm at gmail.com Sun Jun 10 00:39:35 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (hisham.hm at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 21:39:35 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] rootless on non X86 In-Reply-To: <4669AE4D.6060600@foseda.com> References: <4669A318.7000007@foseda.com> <5e7d91620706081220y86d4783qc233da4098831ae0@mail.gmail.com> <4669AE4D.6060600@foseda.com> Message-ID: <5e7d91620706091739g2f1db441m8169a138f4fe426b@mail.gmail.com> On 6/8/07, John Griessen wrote: > Hisham Muhammad wrote: > > Yes. I use it on Linux-PPC, and even on Mac OS X-PPC, though you need > > to install some extra GNU packages (listed in the Rootless page) to > > use it in a BSD-based system: > > http://gobolinux.org/index.php?page=rootless > > > > -- Hisham > > Wow, thanks. All three -- BSD on Sparc, debian on Mac, and Fink on OSX! Yeah, Gobo Rootless is actually a way to get a consistent "command-line interface" throughout these systems. :) > This means it is great for promoting open source hardware and embedded > software design > tools to engineers that mostly use Windows because the Corp. installs it on > the computers > they give them. > > What does the limitation about making valid binary packages mean? You can > compile > packages to run in your rootless, but not ready to distribute? Yes, because they are often dynamically linked to libraries in the "host" system -- a binary package built in OSX/PPC will only work in OSX/PPC; a package built using rootless on some Linux distro may only work on that version of that distro, etc. > BSD on Sparc needs these, right? > * GNU Bash > * GNU CoreUtils > * GNU Sed > * GNU Wget Yes. -- Hisham From rubisher at scarlet.be Sun Jun 10 09:12:23 2007 From: rubisher at scarlet.be (rubisher) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:12:23 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to update Linux Kernel? In-Reply-To: References: <466AE4BB.8090802@scarlet.be> Message-ID: <466BC077.9050401@scarlet.be> Hello Micheal, Michael Homer wrote: > On 6/10/07, rubisher wrote: >> Hello *, > >> InstallPackage: Invalid signature. Package has been modified >> InstallPackage: Suspect package in /Programs/OpenOffice/2.2.0 >> InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package /System/Variable/tmp/OpenOffice--2.2.0--i686.tar.bz2. > I think you need to upgrade your Scripts - you definitely need to > upgrade Compile (like it said, recipes from newer versions are prone > to failure). `InstallPackage Scripts` and `InstallPackage Compile`. > You may need to call `SymlinkProgram Scripts ` manually after > InstallPackage, since the signature failure means it won't do it > itself. After that things should run as expected. > -Michael > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > > Ok just small 'Conflict' warnings: ~]InstallPackage Scripts InstallPackage: Locating a binary package for Scripts ... InstallPackage: Installing http://kundor.org/gobo/packages/official/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2 InstallPackage: Press Enter to continue or Ctrl-C to cancel. InstallPackage: Downloading package to /System/Variable/tmp/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2. --07:52:05-- http://kundor.org/gobo/packages/official/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2 => `/System/Variable/tmp/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2' Resolving kundor.org... 134.53.131.15 Connecting to kundor.org|134.53.131.15|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 451,521 (441K) [application/x-tar] 100%[====================================>] 451,521 81.34K/s ETA 00:00 07:52:10 (80.82 KB/s) - `/System/Variable/tmp/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2' saved [451521/451521] InstallPackage: Installing Scripts, version 2.6.5. InstallPackage: Uncompressing to /Programs... InstallPackage: Package Signature Verified SymlinkProgram: Symlinking Scripts 2.6.5. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking global settings... SymlinkProgram: Processed 7 files. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking tasks... SymlinkProgram: Storing variable files... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking libraries... SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GetAvailable.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/PythonUtils.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessProgramCase.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/FindPackage.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessLatest.pyc SymlinkProgram: Processed 22 files. SymlinkProgram: Updating library database (ldconfig)... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking headers... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking info... SymlinkProgram: Updating info dir... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking manuals... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking executables... SymlinkProgram: Processed 68 files. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking wrappers... SymlinkProgram: Processed 1 file. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking shared... SymlinkProgram: Processed 25 files. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking environment... SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... SymlinkProgram: Done. InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package /System/Variable/tmp/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2. Even thought, SymlinkProgram seems Ok, I re-run it: ~]SymlinkProgram Scripts 2.6.5 SymlinkProgram: Symlinking Scripts 2.6.5. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking global settings... SymlinkProgram: Processed 7 files. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking tasks... SymlinkProgram: Storing variable files... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking libraries... SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GetAvailable.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/PythonUtils.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessProgramCase.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/FindPackage.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessLatest.pyc SymlinkProgram: Processed 22 files. SymlinkProgram: Updating library database (ldconfig)... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking headers... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking info... SymlinkProgram: Updating info dir... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking manuals... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking executables... SymlinkProgram: Processed 68 files. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking wrappers... SymlinkProgram: Processed 1 file. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking shared... SymlinkProgram: Processed 25 files. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking environment... SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... SymlinkProgram: Done. So I still have to learn: why conflict and how to fix? That said new Scripts help me to install the new kernel 2.6.20.7: ~]InstallPackage Linux InstallPackage: Locating a binary package for Linux ... InstallPackage: Installing http://kundor.org/gobo/packages/official/Linux--2.6.20.7-r2--i686.tar.bz2 InstallPackage: Press Enter to continue or Ctrl-C to cancel. InstallPackage: Downloading package to /System/Variable/tmp/Linux--2.6.20.7-r2-- i686.tar.bz2. --07:57:35-- http://kundor.org/gobo/packages/official/Linux--2.6.20.7-r2--i686. tar.bz2 => `/System/Variable/tmp/Linux--2.6.20.7-r2--i686.tar.bz2' Resolving kundor.org... 134.53.131.15 Connecting to kundor.org|134.53.131.15|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 28,419,621 (27M) [application/x-tar] 100%[====================================>] 28,419,621 72.72K/s ETA 00:00 08:04:54 (63.26 KB/s) - `/System/Variable/tmp/Linux--2.6.20.7-r2--i686.tar.bz2' saved [28419621/28419621] InstallPackage: An installation of this same version already exists. InstallPackage: Remove existing? [R]emove/[k]eep/[c]ancel R InstallPackage: Installing Linux, version 2.6.20.7. InstallPackage: Uncompressing to /Programs... InstallPackage: Package Signature Verified UpdateSettings: No settings exist SymlinkProgram: Symlinking Linux 2.6.20.7. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking global settings... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking tasks... SymlinkProgram: Storing variable files... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking libraries... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking headers... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking info... SymlinkProgram: Updating info dir... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking manuals... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking executables... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking wrappers... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking shared... SymlinkProgram: Do you want to install the unmanaged files? [Y/n] Y SymlinkProgram: Installing unmanaged files... SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... SymlinkProgram: Done. InstallPackage: Checking dependencies... InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package /System/Variable/tmp/Linux--2.6.20.7-r2--i686.tar.bz2. ~]ls -lrt /System/Kernel/Boot total 9860 -rw-r--r-- 1 Brother Brother 3409125 2006-10-25 01:39 kernel-2.6.17.11-Gobo -rw-r--r-- 1 Brother Brother 1253797 2006-10-25 01:39 System.map-2.6.17.11-Gobo -rw-rw-r-- 1 Brother Brother 1471874 2007-04-21 20:55 System.map-2.6.20.7-Gobo drwxrwxr-x 2 Brother Brother 4096 2007-06-03 14:55 grub -rw-rw-r-- 1 Brother Brother 3928432 2007-06-06 04:55 kernel-2.6.20.7-Gobo lrwxrwxrwx 1 Brother Brother 24 2007-06-10 08:15 System.map -> System.map-2.6.20.7-Gobo lrwxrwxrwx 1 Brother Brother 20 2007-06-10 08:15 kernel -> kernel-2.6.20.7-Gobo Reboot: fine. Next steps: 1/ Compile Linux (I already use with success 2.6.21.4 on my debian) 2/ Build a kernel with my own config. 3/ Start up my dsl link at boot time 3/ adding a kernel module (Cisco vpn) to join my office (I haven't any authotity to change it to openvpn ;-( ) 4/ reformat the disc to support md (mirroring for the historical /, swap and /boot afaik /System/Kernel/Boot?) and lvm over md for /Users /System/Variable may be also /Depot and some other fs of my usage. Thanks to all for kind advise, r. From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Sun Jun 10 09:25:26 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:25:26 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to update Linux Kernel? In-Reply-To: <466BC077.9050401@scarlet.be> References: <466AE4BB.8090802@scarlet.be> <466BC077.9050401@scarlet.be> Message-ID: On 6/10/07, rubisher wrote: > Hello Micheal, > > Michael Homer wrote: > > On 6/10/07, rubisher wrote: > >> Hello *, > > > >> InstallPackage: Invalid signature. Package has been modified > >> InstallPackage: Suspect package in /Programs/OpenOffice/2.2.0 > >> InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package /System/Variable/tmp/OpenOffice--2.2.0--i686.tar.bz2. > > I think you need to upgrade your Scripts - you definitely need to > > upgrade Compile (like it said, recipes from newer versions are prone > > to failure). `InstallPackage Scripts` and `InstallPackage Compile`. > > You may need to call `SymlinkProgram Scripts ` manually after > > InstallPackage, since the signature failure means it won't do it > > itself. After that things should run as expected. > > -Michael > > _______________________________________________ > > gobolinux-users mailing list > > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > > > > > Ok just small 'Conflict' warnings: > > ~]InstallPackage Scripts > SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GetAvailable.pyc > SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/PythonUtils.pyc > SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessProgramCase.pyc > SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/FindPackage.pyc > SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessLatest.pyc > So I still have to learn: why conflict and how to fix? Use `SymlinkProgram -c overwrite Scripts` to wipe the conflicts. That means that another program has (or has had) files with the same name, and you have to choose which to use (in this case, I think some parts have been moved from Compile into Scripts, so you can just overwrite them). > > That said new Scripts help me to install the new kernel 2.6.20.7: Good. > ~]ls -lrt /System/Kernel/Boot > total 9860 > -rw-r--r-- 1 Brother Brother 3409125 2006-10-25 01:39 kernel-2.6.17.11-Gobo > -rw-r--r-- 1 Brother Brother 1253797 2006-10-25 01:39 System.map-2.6.17.11-Gobo > -rw-rw-r-- 1 Brother Brother 1471874 2007-04-21 20:55 System.map-2.6.20.7-Gobo > drwxrwxr-x 2 Brother Brother 4096 2007-06-03 14:55 grub > -rw-rw-r-- 1 Brother Brother 3928432 2007-06-06 04:55 kernel-2.6.20.7-Gobo > lrwxrwxrwx 1 Brother Brother 24 2007-06-10 08:15 System.map -> System.map-2.6.20.7-Gobo > lrwxrwxrwx 1 Brother Brother 20 2007-06-10 08:15 kernel -> kernel-2.6.20.7-Gobo > Next steps: > 1/ Compile Linux (I already use with success 2.6.21.4 on my debian) > 2/ Build a kernel with my own config. That shouldn't be a problem, so long as you've upgraded your Compile. They're really the same step; Compile Linux will make menuconfig for you, so you can set it up how you like. It also takes care of installing the kernel and modules, so it's pretty simple from there. -Michael From violazoli at gmail.com Sun Jun 10 23:03:13 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:03:13 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Mplayer and libmp3 Message-ID: I try transcode a film with mencoder, and write me: MPlayer was compiled without libmp3lame support. And, write me this: -xvidencopts is not an MEncoder option but, in the UhuLinux the mencoder understand the -xvidencopts options! (in this command: mencoder film.mpg -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=700 -oac mp3lame -o film.avi ) What I should now make? Zoli -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? 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You'll need to recompile with them enabled (it probably happens automatically when the library's installed), and possibly install one of the MPlayer-Codecs packages if you haven't already. -Michael From violazoli at gmail.com Sun Jun 10 23:30:35 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:30:35 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Mplayer and libmp3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I not missed, dear Michael, I compile the mplayer with the standard Gobo-recipe, with full codecs! In wich package have I the needed codecs (xvidenc and libmp3lame)? Or, if I should recompile the mplayer, how can I make this, with wich commandline-options? Zoli 2007/6/11, Michael Homer : > > On 6/11/07, Viola Zolt?n wrote: > > I try transcode a film with mencoder, and write me: > > MPlayer was compiled without libmp3lame support. > > And, write me this: > > -xvidencopts is not an MEncoder option > > but, in the UhuLinux the mencoder understand the -xvidencopts options! > > (in this command: > > mencoder film.mpg -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=700 -oac mp3lame -o > > film.avi > > ) > You don't have xvidenc, so you can't pass options to it. Or mp3lame > either, it seems. You'll need to recompile with them enabled (it > probably happens automatically when the library's installed), and > possibly install one of the MPlayer-Codecs packages if you haven't > already. > -Michael > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070611/f92dca2a/attachment-0001.htm From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Mon Jun 11 00:36:36 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:36:36 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Freshen 2.2.4 Message-ID: Hi, I've released Freshen 2.2.4, with a couple of requested fixes and an overhaul of the version algorithms. Key changes: - Now defaults to storing its temporary files in /tmp/Freshen - you will have to update your existing configuration file to do that - Version comparisons handle special cases better: in particular, MPlayer & Util-Linux now work as they should (1.0.0pre8<1.0.0rc3, and 2.12r>2.12-r1), and there are a few flow-on effects in other corners that were less obvious A recipe has been submitted, and a package is available: http://e.geek.nz/files/gobo/Freshen--2.2.4--i686.tar.bz2 Have fun. -Michael From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Mon Jun 11 00:43:03 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:43:03 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Mplayer and libmp3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/11/07, Viola Zolt?n wrote: > If I not missed, dear Michael, I compile the mplayer with the standard > Gobo-recipe, with full codecs! In wich package have I the needed codecs > (xvidenc and libmp3lame)? Or, if I should recompile the mplayer, how can I > make this, with wich commandline-options? libmp3lame is called "Lame" in the packaging system. I don't know where xvidenc comes from, it isn't enabled in my install either (mencoder -ovc help lists available output codecs). If the recipe doesn't enable it automatically, you'll probably have to compile it manually yourself. ./configure --help will tell you which parameters you need to pass. I don't know what you need for xvidenc, perhaps take a look at what package Uhu has it in. -Michael From nereusren at gmail.com Mon Jun 11 01:23:01 2007 From: nereusren at gmail.com (Andy Feldman) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:23:01 -0500 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Mplayer and libmp3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51c95f840706101823t1648b8a1y4d8840f02286157e@mail.gmail.com> Xvid encoding support probably depends on the Xvidcore package. Mplayer seems to auto-detect most codecs like this at compile-time, so if you install Xvidcore and recompile Mplayer, I'd expect xvidenc to start showing up as a valid option. To test which drivers Mplayer will compile, switch to the source directory (e.g. /F/C/Sources/MPlayer-1.0rc1) and run ./configure. At the end, it will produce some output that includes this: Enabled optional drivers: [...] Codecs: xvid libavcodec faad2 libmpeg2 liba52 mp3lib libtheora speex tremor(internal) libmad gif [...] Disabled optional drivers: [...] Codecs: qtx x264 libdv amr_wb amr_nb real xanim win32 faac musepack libdts twolame toolame liblzo [...] Just make sure the codec(s) you want (such as xvid) all appear in the "enabled" section, and then you can issue Compile Mplayer. -Andy On 6/10/07, Michael Homer wrote: > On 6/11/07, Viola Zolt?n wrote: > > If I not missed, dear Michael, I compile the mplayer with the standard > > Gobo-recipe, with full codecs! In wich package have I the needed codecs > > (xvidenc and libmp3lame)? Or, if I should recompile the mplayer, how can I > > make this, with wich commandline-options? > libmp3lame is called "Lame" in the packaging system. I don't know > where xvidenc comes from, it isn't enabled in my install either > (mencoder -ovc help lists available output codecs). > > If the recipe doesn't enable it automatically, you'll probably have to > compile it manually yourself. ./configure --help will tell you which > parameters you need to pass. I don't know what you need for xvidenc, > perhaps take a look at what package Uhu has it in. > -Michael > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > From violazoli at gmail.com Mon Jun 11 07:28:36 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:28:36 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Mplayer and libmp3 In-Reply-To: <51c95f840706101823t1648b8a1y4d8840f02286157e@mail.gmail.com> References: <51c95f840706101823t1648b8a1y4d8840f02286157e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks! I Compile xvidcore, and after this the Mplayer, and succeeded! Zoli 2007/6/11, Andy Feldman : > > Xvid encoding support probably depends on the Xvidcore package. > Mplayer seems to auto-detect most codecs like this at compile-time, so > if you install Xvidcore and recompile Mplayer, I'd expect xvidenc to > start showing up as a valid option. > > To test which drivers Mplayer will compile, switch to the source > directory (e.g. /F/C/Sources/MPlayer-1.0rc1) and run ./configure. At > the end, it will produce some output that includes this: > > Enabled optional drivers: > [...] > Codecs: xvid libavcodec faad2 libmpeg2 liba52 mp3lib libtheora > speex tremor(internal) libmad gif > [...] > Disabled optional drivers: > [...] > Codecs: qtx x264 libdv amr_wb amr_nb real xanim win32 faac > musepack libdts twolame toolame liblzo > [...] > > Just make sure the codec(s) you want (such as xvid) all appear in the > "enabled" section, and then you can issue Compile Mplayer. > > -Andy > > On 6/10/07, Michael Homer wrote: > > On 6/11/07, Viola Zolt?n wrote: > > > If I not missed, dear Michael, I compile the mplayer with the standard > > > Gobo-recipe, with full codecs! In wich package have I the needed > codecs > > > (xvidenc and libmp3lame)? Or, if I should recompile the mplayer, how > can I > > > make this, with wich commandline-options? > > libmp3lame is called "Lame" in the packaging system. I don't know > > where xvidenc comes from, it isn't enabled in my install either > > (mencoder -ovc help lists available output codecs). > > > > If the recipe doesn't enable it automatically, you'll probably have to > > compile it manually yourself. ./configure --help will tell you which > > parameters you need to pass. I don't know what you need for xvidenc, > > perhaps take a look at what package Uhu has it in. > > -Michael > > _______________________________________________ > > gobolinux-users mailing list > > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > > > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070611/897a02c8/attachment.htm From rubisher at scarlet.be Mon Jun 11 14:04:59 2007 From: rubisher at scarlet.be (rubisher) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:04:59 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to update Linux Kernel? In-Reply-To: <51c95f840706091616i14ea299cq7a52d9428d16f194@mail.gmail.com> References: <466AE4BB.8090802@scarlet.be> <51c95f840706091616i14ea299cq7a52d9428d16f194@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <466D568B.8030807@scarlet.be> Hello Andy, Andy Feldman wrote: > Devs, a related suggestion for 014: During the installation process, > attempt to fetch the latest packages for Scripts and Compile, or > inform the user that they should do it themselves as the first step > after installation. That should go a long way in future-proofing the > .iso against problems like this. > As said elsewhere I am newbie to GoboLinux, so may be is it a stupid idea: isn't it possible, for new packages, to create a dependency related to a Script release? Kr, r. > On 6/9/07, Michael Homer wrote: >> On 6/10/07, rubisher wrote: >>> Hello *, >> >>> InstallPackage: Invalid signature. Package has been modified >>> InstallPackage: Suspect package in /Programs/OpenOffice/2.2.0 >>> InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package /System/Variable/tmp/OpenOffice--2.2.0--i686.tar.bz2. >> I think you need to upgrade your Scripts - you definitely need to >> upgrade Compile (like it said, recipes from newer versions are prone >> to failure). `InstallPackage Scripts` and `InstallPackage Compile`. >> You may need to call `SymlinkProgram Scripts ` manually after >> InstallPackage, since the signature failure means it won't do it >> itself. After that things should run as expected. >> -Michael >> _______________________________________________ >> gobolinux-users mailing list >> gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org >> http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users >> > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > > From rubisher at scarlet.be Mon Jun 11 15:28:51 2007 From: rubisher at scarlet.be (rubisher) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:28:51 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to update Linux Kernel? In-Reply-To: References: <466AE4BB.8090802@scarlet.be> <466BC077.9050401@scarlet.be> Message-ID: <466D6A33.4030001@scarlet.be> Michael, Michael Homer wrote: > On 6/10/07, rubisher wrote: [snip] >> Ok just small 'Conflict' warnings: >> >> ~]InstallPackage Scripts > >> SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GetAvailable.pyc >> SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/PythonUtils.pyc >> SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessProgramCase.pyc >> SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/FindPackage.pyc >> SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessLatest.pyc > >> So I still have to learn: why conflict and how to fix? > Use `SymlinkProgram -c overwrite Scripts` to wipe the conflicts. That Ok done. I used 'Freshen -U OpenSSH' and seems to work kindly: Glibc and OpenSSL needed upgrade was managed smoothly ;-) > means that another program has (or has had) files with the same name, that's what I understood too ;-) > and you have to choose which to use (in this case, I think some parts > have been moved from Compile into Scripts, so you can just overwrite > them). That's what I have to learn: how to find back which package already supplied it. I will check that later. >> That said new Scripts help me to install the new kernel 2.6.20.7: > Good. [snip] >> Next steps: >> 1/ Compile Linux (I already use with success 2.6.21.4 on my debian) >> 2/ Build a kernel with my own config. > That shouldn't be a problem, so long as you've upgraded your Compile. > They're really the same step; Compile Linux will make menuconfig for > you, Yes it did but I am too laisy today to check out all my previous build option, I will continue later ,sorry. > so you can set it up how you like. It also takes care of > installing the kernel and modules, so it's pretty simple from there. I trust you but I need to go in more details how Recipe works: I would like it works like I use to rebuild my kernel manualy; some where I created a KBuild dir (e.g. linux-2.6-local_i686 and more if needed) then set KBUILD_OUTPUT to point to that dir then I can run classical make clean ; make oldconfig; even make V=1 bzImage 2>&1 | tee /var/log/k-2.6.21.4 # so that I can trace build pb if encountered the same for modules, ... This method shows me severall advantages imho: 1/ the src tree is not anymore populated with binaries and it's so easier to look for something with 'find' 2/ different .config file are saved in their KBuild dir, so: - no risk of mistake when copying config file (in manual operation it happend frequently) - you can build several kernel for various config with only one src tree (save space) + in parallel (also with cross-compiler). The next stuff will be to include a foreign module like CisoVpn... Thanks again, r. > -Michael > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > > From jonka750 at student.liu.se Mon Jun 11 21:11:56 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:11:56 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors In-Reply-To: <147438.9941.qm@web62114.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <147438.9941.qm@web62114.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:10:23 +0200, Hi There wrote: >> On 6/6/07, Hi There wrote: > >>> BTW, the -S option seems to get ignored by > -=snip=- >>> Executed SymlinkProgram to get the new r4 package >>> linked in properly. > >> What version of Scripts are you running there? That >> bug should be >> fixed in the last version of Scripts, which is also >> being hold before >> someone tests it (could you please do that, too?) : >> >> http://lucasvr.gobolinux.org/etc/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2 > > I had 2.6.4-r1 installed. Just installed new Scripts, > symlinked w/ overwrite after the install. > > InstallPackage still ignores -S, fails to symlink > after detecting an invalid signature. > Can't reproduce. See below (TPTest is a small package, which I corrupted with a file, "foo", inside the bin directory. ]InstallPackage --version InstallPackage 2.6.5 Released under the GNU GPL. ]VerifyProgram TPTest--3.1.7--i686.tar.bz2 VerifyProgram: Uncompressing package... VerifyProgram: Verifying signature... VerifyProgram: Signature OK VerifyProgram: Verifying FileHash... VerifyProgram: FileHash check failed: bin/foo not found in hashfile VerifyProgram: Removed package from /System/Variable/tmp ]InstallPackage -S TPTest--3.1.7--i686.tar.bz2 InstallPackage: An installation of this same version already exists. InstallPackage: Remove existing? [R]emove/[k]eep/[c]ancel r InstallPackage: Installing TPTest, version 3.1.7. InstallPackage: Uncompressing to /Programs... InstallPackage: Skipping package's signature verification. UpdateSettings: No settings exist SymlinkProgram: Symlinking TPTest 3.1.7. [snip] SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... SymlinkProgram: Done. I got the same result if I tried Scripts 2.6.3 and 2.6.4 (those were the versions I had available on my machine), so I can't really find why you have a problem with the '-S' option. > ]InstallPackage -S udev > -=snip=- > InstallPackage: Invalid signature. Package has been > modified I can verify that the signature was invalid. I have uploaded a new package, with valid signature. -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Mon Jun 11 22:14:01 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:14:01 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to update Linux Kernel? In-Reply-To: <466D6A33.4030001@scarlet.be> References: <466AE4BB.8090802@scarlet.be> <466BC077.9050401@scarlet.be> <466D6A33.4030001@scarlet.be> Message-ID: On 6/12/07, rubisher wrote: > Michael, > > Michael Homer wrote: > > On 6/10/07, rubisher wrote: > [snip] > > >> Ok just small 'Conflict' warnings: > >> > >> ~]InstallPackage Scripts > > > >> SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GetAvailable.pyc > >> SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/PythonUtils.pyc > >> SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessProgramCase.pyc > >> SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/FindPackage.pyc > >> SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessLatest.pyc > > > >> So I still have to learn: why conflict and how to fix? > > Use `SymlinkProgram -c overwrite Scripts` to wipe the conflicts. That > > Ok done. > I used 'Freshen -U OpenSSH' and seems to work kindly: Glibc and OpenSSL needed upgrade was managed smoothly ;-) > > > means that another program has (or has had) files with the same name, > > that's what I understood too ;-) > > > and you have to choose which to use (in this case, I think some parts > > have been moved from Compile into Scripts, so you can just overwrite > > them). > That's what I have to learn: how to find back which package already supplied it. I will check that later. `ls -l /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GetAvailable.pyc`. Convenient, isn't it? Or `readlink -f`, which is slightly more reliable, but it doesn't make a difference in this case. (Explanation: if site-packages (say) only occurred in one package, there would just be a symlink to the directory within /Programs/Foo under /S/L/L/python2.3, and ls -l wouldn't resolve it, while readlink -f will resolve them all the way up the tree) > > >> That said new Scripts help me to install the new kernel 2.6.20.7: > > Good. > [snip] > >> Next steps: > >> 1/ Compile Linux (I already use with success 2.6.21.4 on my debian) > >> 2/ Build a kernel with my own config. > > That shouldn't be a problem, so long as you've upgraded your Compile. > > They're really the same step; Compile Linux will make menuconfig for > > you, > Yes it did but I am too laisy today to check out all my previous build option, I will continue later ,sorry. > > > so you can set it up how you like. It also takes care of > > installing the kernel and modules, so it's pretty simple from there. > > I trust you but I need to go in more details how Recipe works: > I would like it works like I use to rebuild my kernel manualy; > some where I created a KBuild dir (e.g. linux-2.6-local_i686 and more if needed) > then set KBUILD_OUTPUT to point to that dir then I can run classical > > make clean ; make oldconfig; > > even > > make V=1 bzImage 2>&1 | tee /var/log/k-2.6.21.4 # so that I can trace build pb if encountered > > the same for modules, ... > > This method shows me severall advantages imho: > 1/ the src tree is not anymore populated with binaries and it's so easier to look for something with 'find' > 2/ different .config file are saved in their KBuild dir, so: > - no risk of mistake when copying config file (in manual operation it happend frequently) > - you can build several kernel for various config with only one src tree (save space) > + in parallel (also with cross-compiler). It unpacks and compiles in the same place, /F/C/S/Linux/2.6.21.4. It then copies all the necessary files out into /P/Linux and /S/K/boot. There's nothing stopping you from compiling manually with whatever environment you like, though. You'd probably want to use the source tree from the recipe (since it's had the patches applied), but I don't think there'd be a problem building to somewhere else as long as you moved the files into the right places later on. -Michael From carlo at calica.com Tue Jun 12 06:48:08 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:48:08 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Freshen 2.2.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/10/07, Michael Homer wrote: > Hi, > I've released Freshen 2.2.4, with a couple of requested fixes and an > overhaul of the version algorithms. Key changes: > - Now defaults to storing its temporary files in /tmp/Freshen - you > will have to update your existing configuration file to do that > - Version comparisons handle special cases better: in particular, > MPlayer & Util-Linux now work as they should (1.0.0pre8<1.0.0rc3, and > 2.12r>2.12-r1), and there are a few flow-on effects in other corners > that were less obvious > > A recipe has been submitted, and a package is available: > http://e.geek.nz/files/gobo/Freshen--2.2.4--i686.tar.bz2 > I'm getting this: Freshen: Normalised dependency in unknown package: Dbus should be DBus Freshen: Error: undefined method `>=' for nil:NilClass [NoMethodError] Backtrace: /Programs/Freshen/2.2.4/lib/freshen-functions.rb:108:in `getNewestAvailableVersion' /Programs/Freshen/2.2.4/lib/freshen-functions.rb:364:in `produceUpdatesList' /Programs/Freshen/2.2.4/lib/freshen-functions.rb:363:in `delete_if' /Programs/Freshen/2.2.4/lib/freshen-functions.rb:363:in `produceUpdatesList' /System/Links/Executables/Freshen:530:in `sysStatus' /System/Links/Executables/Freshen:165:in `run' /System/Links/Libraries/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/gobo.rb:187:in `start' /System/Links/Executables/Freshen:659 Got the same with 2.2.2 2.0 Doesn't run properly either. It appears to work but rerunning it reruns everything (like it wasn't run previously). This is one of the 013 rc's and really needs a reinstall. It provides a good example of pathologically broken system though. After the 2.0 run sudo seems broken. -- Carlo J. Calica From goboster at yahoo.com Tue Jun 12 21:31:03 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <803680.84915.qm@web62112.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:10:23 +0200, Hi There > >wrote: > >>> On 6/6/07, Hi There wrote: >> >>>> BTW, the -S option seems to get ignored by >> -=snip=- >>>> Executed SymlinkProgram to get the new r4 package >>>> linked in properly. >> >>> What version of Scripts are you running there? That >>> bug should be >>> fixed in the last version of Scripts, which is also >>> being hold before >>> someone tests it (could you please do that, too?) : >>> >>> http://lucasvr.gobolinux.org/etc/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2 >> >> I had 2.6.4-r1 installed. Just installed new Scripts, >> symlinked w/ overwrite after the install. >> >> InstallPackage still ignores -S, fails to symlink >> after detecting an invalid signature. >> >Can't reproduce. See below (TPTest is a small package, >which I corrupted with a file, "foo", inside the bin directory. >]InstallPackage --version >InstallPackage 2.6.5 >Released under the GNU GPL. >]VerifyProgram TPTest--3.1.7--i686.tar.bz2 >VerifyProgram: Uncompressing package... >VerifyProgram: Verifying signature... >VerifyProgram: Signature OK >VerifyProgram: Verifying FileHash... >VerifyProgram: FileHash check failed: bin/foo not found in hashfile >VerifyProgram: Removed package >from /System/Variable/tmp >]InstallPackage -S TPTest--3.1.7--i686.tar.bz2 >InstallPackage: An installation of this same version already exists. >InstallPackage: Remove existing? >[R]emove/[k]eep/[c]ancel r >InstallPackage: Installing TPTest, version 3.1.7. >InstallPackage: Uncompressing to /Programs... >InstallPackage: Skipping package's signature verification. >UpdateSettings: No settings exist >SymlinkProgram: Symlinking TPTest 3.1.7. >[snip] >SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... >SymlinkProgram: Done. >I got the same result if I tried Scripts 2.6.3 and 2.6.4 >(those were the versions I had available on my machine), so >I can't really find why you have a problem with the '-S' >option. weird, I had the same problem with 2.6.4. well what sort of thing could be causing this problem? as I noted in a previous post, HAL recipe fails on a python XML package dependency that *is* installed, maybe some python library or search path is borked? again, just to check my versions: ]InstallPackage --version InstallPackage 2.6.5 Released under the GNU GPL. root at homecomputer /]python --version Python 2.5 >> ]InstallPackage -S udev >> -=snip=- >> InstallPackage: Invalid signature. Package has been >> modified >I can verify that the signature was invalid. I have uploaded >a new package, with valid signature. Thanks! in any case, udev-110 is still broken for me. I downgraded to 105 in the meantime, that seems to be working better. is there any more info I can give you to help get it fixed? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Tue Jun 12 22:29:17 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:29:17 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Freshen 2.2.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/12/07, Carlo Calica wrote: > On 6/10/07, Michael Homer wrote: > > Hi, > > I've released Freshen 2.2.4, with a couple of requested fixes and an > > overhaul of the version algorithms. Key changes: > > - Now defaults to storing its temporary files in /tmp/Freshen - you > > will have to update your existing configuration file to do that > > - Version comparisons handle special cases better: in particular, > > MPlayer & Util-Linux now work as they should (1.0.0pre8<1.0.0rc3, and > > 2.12r>2.12-r1), and there are a few flow-on effects in other corners > > that were less obvious > > > > A recipe has been submitted, and a package is available: > > http://e.geek.nz/files/gobo/Freshen--2.2.4--i686.tar.bz2 > > > > > I'm getting this: > > > Freshen: Normalised dependency in unknown package: Dbus should be DBus > Freshen: Error: undefined method `>=' for nil:NilClass [NoMethodError] > Backtrace: > /Programs/Freshen/2.2.4/lib/freshen-functions.rb:108:in > `getNewestAvailableVersion' > /Programs/Freshen/2.2.4/lib/freshen-functions.rb:364:in `produceUpdatesList' > /Programs/Freshen/2.2.4/lib/freshen-functions.rb:363:in `delete_if' > /Programs/Freshen/2.2.4/lib/freshen-functions.rb:363:in `produceUpdatesList' > /System/Links/Executables/Freshen:530:in `sysStatus' > /System/Links/Executables/Freshen:165:in `run' > /System/Links/Libraries/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/gobo.rb:187:in `start' > /System/Links/Executables/Freshen:659 > > Got the same with 2.2.2 The only way that can happen is if you have a program installed where every package available exceeds the maximum possible version; you might want to look into that on its own. It probably isn't a problem. However, I've checked in a fix to CVS, so you can check out lib/freshen-functions.rb and give it a try. Hopefully it will work. Thanks for the report. -Michael From goboster at yahoo.com Wed Jun 13 08:33:11 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] /dev/dsp disappeared after upgrade Message-ID: <601316.48466.qm@web62105.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Lucas said: >On 6/5/07, Hi There wrote: >> One of many problems I've encountered after upgrading >> to newer packages (KDE, kernel, xorg, udev) is that >> sound has stopped working. I think it happened at the >> KDE upgrade stage. There is no longer a /dev/dsp >> present. KDE pops up a window at startup: >> >> Error while initializing the sound driver: >> device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or >> directory) >> The sound server will continue, using the null output >> device. >Please take a look at the other thread. I just >replied about this problem there. >> BTW, can't Compile ALSA-Driver 1.0.13-r2, it gives >> kernel header file errors, looks like it's not >> compatible with kernel 2.6.21.1. >Since you're running an updated kernel I don't think >there's a good >reason to compile a stand-alone alsa driver package >(unless there were >important enhancements to your sound card's driver >since then). Just mentioned that because some people in gentoo forums suggested using the older, stable, stand-alone alsa drivers when having trouble. Doesn't matter much because... I'm making some progress on the problem. The snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_oss modules weren't being loaded at startup, and those are the ones responsible for the /dev/dsp entry. I added those two modules to the UserDefinedModules entry in BootOptions. Now I have a /dev/dsp again, and an application (mplayer) plays sound again. This thread at the gentoo forums helped get me this far http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-279086.html Unfortunately, I can't get sound out of KDE itself. No startup sounds, and the "Test" button in the Control Center's Sound System panel does nothing. KMix does change the volume level of mplayer. Under Sound System -> Hardware -> Select the audio device, ALSA is not listed, I'm pretty sure it is in most KDE environments. Amarok also fails to output sound giving the error "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers" at startup. I tried all of the suggestions in this Ubuntu thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=be011084f8b6459760b7db081b758a44&t=102064&page=3 none worked. So where are these modules supposed to be loaded, if not from UserDefinedModules? I didn't have oss entries in there before, and sound worked fine. They're not in /etc/modprobe.conf either (blacklist or alias). Am I supposed to have some sound entries in there? Is udev supposed to be taking care of this stuff? I added the alias entries suggested here http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel to /etc/modprobe.conf, and used their suggested .asoundrc file in my home directory just in case that was the missing ingredient. KDE and Amarok still refuse to work. >-- >Lucas >powered by /dev/dsp -- Mike barely powered by /dev/dsp ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From goboster at yahoo.com Wed Jun 13 10:03:34 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] udev errors Message-ID: <103194.81467.qm@web62105.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Looks like the root of my udev errors was that my Module-Init-Tools 3.2.2 package was r1, and r6 deleted an old hotplug-related script. Also realized UpdateSettings for udev was automagically skipping deleted files, so some deprecated rules were still in place (75-persistent-net-generator.rules, 75-cd-aliases-generator.rules, 10-udev.rules). Deleted those, rebooted, & no more udev errors at startup with udev-110. Sound in KDE and Amarok still not working though :( ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From violazoli at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 17:01:21 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:01:21 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Error in Scripts? Message-ID: Hello, I try Disable the OpenOffice, and pv at Csiszilla /Depot/Letolt/ooo]DisableProgram OpenOffice DisableProgram: Disabling OpenOffice, version 2.1.0. DisableProgram: Removing links... /System/Links/Executables/DisableProgram: line 50: /System/Links/Executables/RemoveBroken: Argument list too long DisableProgram: Couldn't cleanup links. Now I try Install the new Scripts package of course as root): pv at Csiszilla /Depot/Letolt/ooo]InstallPackage Scripts InstallPackage: Locating a binary package for Scripts ... InstallPackage: Installing http://kundor.org/gobo/packages/official/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2 InstallPackage: Press Enter to continue or Ctrl-C to cancel. InstallPackage: Downloading package to /System/Variable/tmp/Scripts-- 2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2. --18:55:53-- http://kundor.org/gobo/packages/official/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2 => `/System/Variable/tmp/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2' IP keres?s kundor.org... 134.53.131.15 Connecting to kundor.org|134.53.131.15|:80... kapcsol?dva. HTTP k?r?s elk?ldve, v?rom a v?laszt... 200 OK Hossz: 451.521 (441K) [application/x-tar] 100%[========================================================>] 451.521 28.55K/s ETA 00:00 18:56:08 (31.76 KB/s) - `/System/Variable/tmp/Scripts--2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2' saved [451521/451521] InstallPackage: Installing Scripts, version 2.6.5. InstallPackage: Uncompressing to /Programs... InstallPackage: Package Signature Verified SymlinkProgram: Symlinking Scripts 2.6.5. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking global settings... SymlinkProgram: Processed 7 files. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking tasks... SymlinkProgram: Storing variable files... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking libraries... SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/PythonUtils.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GetAvailable.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessProgramCase.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/FindPackage.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessLatest.pyc SymlinkProgram: Processed 22 files. SymlinkProgram: Updating library database (ldconfig)... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking headers... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking info... SymlinkProgram: Updating info dir... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking manuals... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking executables... SymlinkProgram: Processed 68 files. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking wrappers... SymlinkProgram: Processed 1 file. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking shared... SymlinkProgram: Processed 32 files. SymlinkProgram: Rebuilding MIME database... /Programs/Scripts/2.6.5/bin/../Functions/GoboLinux: line 63: 6180 Aborted update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && echo "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "${goboVariable}/mime") >/dev/null SymlinkProgram: Symlinking environment... SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... SymlinkProgram: Done. InstallPackage: Removing downloaded package /System/Variable/tmp/Scripts-- 2.6.5--i686.tar.bz2. pv at Csiszilla /Depot/Letolt/ooo]SymlinkProgram Scripts SymlinkProgram: Symlinking Scripts 2.6.5. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking global settings... SymlinkProgram: Processed 7 files. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking tasks... SymlinkProgram: Storing variable files... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking libraries... SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/PythonUtils.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GetAvailable.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessProgramCase.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/FindPackage.pyc SymlinkProgram: Conflict: /System/Links/Libraries/python2.3/site-packages/GuessLatest.pyc SymlinkProgram: Processed 22 files. SymlinkProgram: Updating library database (ldconfig)... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking headers... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking info... SymlinkProgram: Updating info dir... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking manuals... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking executables... SymlinkProgram: Processed 68 files. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking wrappers... SymlinkProgram: Processed 1 file. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking shared... SymlinkProgram: Processed 32 files. SymlinkProgram: Rebuilding MIME database... /Programs/Scripts/2.6.5/bin/../Functions/GoboLinux: line 63: 6709 Aborted update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && echo "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "${goboVariable}/mime") >/dev/null SymlinkProgram: Symlinking environment... SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... SymlinkProgram: Done. What is this? Zoli -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SymlinkProgram: Processed 405 files. SymlinkProgram: Rebuilding MIME database... /Programs/Scripts/2.6.5/bin/../Functions/GoboLinux: line 63: 10195 Aborted update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && echo "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "${goboVariable}/mime") >/dev/null SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... SymlinkProgram: Done. ??? Zoli -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do you run SymlinkProgram as superuser or regular user? -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From violazoli at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 06:19:45 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:19:45 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Error in Scripts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Of course, I run the SymlinkProgram (and Compile, DisableProgram and other scripts) as superuser. The "pv" in the sended messages is my "root" user. Zoli 2007/6/14, Jonas Karlsson : > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:26:30 +0200, Viola Zolt?n > wrote: > > > pv at Csiszilla /Programs/OpenOffice]SymlinkProgram OpenOffice > > SymlinkProgram: Symlinking OpenOffice 2.2.1. > [snip] > > /Programs/Scripts/2.6.5/bin/../Functions/GoboLinux: line 63: 10195 > > Aborted update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && > echo > > "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "${goboVariable}/mime") >/dev/null > > SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... > > SymlinkProgram: Done. > > > > ??? > Do you run SymlinkProgram as superuser or regular user? > > -- > /Jonas > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070615/f6e4936a/attachment.htm From violazoli at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 06:23:40 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:23:40 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Error in Scripts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Jonas, I try the (old) OpenOffice newly to Symlink, and as you can see as the "su -" text, I run it as superuser, but the error message is in place. vz at Csiszilla ~]su - Jelsz?: pv at Csiszilla ~]SymlinkProgram OpenOffice SymlinkProgram: Symlinking OpenOffice 2.1.0. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking global settings... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking tasks... SymlinkProgram: Storing variable files... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking libraries... SymlinkProgram: Processed 15 files. SymlinkProgram: Updating library database (ldconfig)... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking headers... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking info... SymlinkProgram: Processed 4 files. SymlinkProgram: Updating info dir... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking manuals... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking executables... SymlinkProgram: Processed 2 files. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking wrappers... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking shared... SymlinkProgram: Processed 466 files. SymlinkProgram: Rebuilding MIME database... /Programs/Scripts/2.6.5/bin/../Functions/GoboLinux: line 63: 4639 Aborted update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && echo "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "${goboVariable}/mime") >/dev/null SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... SymlinkProgram: Done. But, the "symlinked" OpenOffice work. Zoli 2007/6/14, Jonas Karlsson : > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:26:30 +0200, Viola Zolt?n > wrote: > > > pv at Csiszilla /Programs/OpenOffice]SymlinkProgram OpenOffice > > SymlinkProgram: Symlinking OpenOffice 2.2.1. > [snip] > > /Programs/Scripts/2.6.5/bin/../Functions/GoboLinux: line 63: 10195 > > Aborted update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && > echo > > "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "${goboVariable}/mime") >/dev/null > > SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... > > SymlinkProgram: Done. > > > > ??? > Do you run SymlinkProgram as superuser or regular user? > > -- > /Jonas > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070615/1b37fc7e/attachment.htm From jonka750 at student.liu.se Fri Jun 15 21:24:03 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:24:03 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Error in Scripts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's not necessary to run scripts as superuser, if one set up sudo appropriately, therefore I had to ask. Which version of of Shared-Mime-Database do you have installed and what is the value of ${XDG_DATA_HOME} (do 'echo ${XDG_DATA_HOME}')? What do you get if you run update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && echo "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "/System/Variable/mime") manually? If that fails could you try update-mime-database /System/Variable/mime -- /Jonas On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:19:45 +0200, Viola Zolt?n wrote: > Of course, I run the SymlinkProgram (and Compile, DisableProgram and other > scripts) as superuser. The "pv" in the sended messages is my "root" user. > > Zoli > > 2007/6/14, Jonas Karlsson : >> >> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:26:30 +0200, Viola Zolt?n >> wrote: >> >> > pv at Csiszilla /Programs/OpenOffice]SymlinkProgram OpenOffice >> > SymlinkProgram: Symlinking OpenOffice 2.2.1. >> [snip] >> > /Programs/Scripts/2.6.5/bin/../Functions/GoboLinux: line 63: 10195 >> > Aborted update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && >> echo >> > "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "${goboVariable}/mime") >/dev/null >> > SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... >> > SymlinkProgram: Done. >> > >> > ??? >> Do you run SymlinkProgram as superuser or regular user? >> >> -- >> /Jonas >> >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> _______________________________________________ >> gobolinux-users mailing list >> gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org >> http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users >> > > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From violazoli at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 22:23:37 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:23:37 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Error in Scripts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Jonas, echo ${XDG_DATA_HOME} print for me nothing! The Shared-mime-info info is for me the 0.20 version. I not fint in /Programs any "Shared-Mime-Database" directory. Others, it is interest: I am root, but the computer like me non-root: vz at Csiszilla HDA6/web/Zene/Idegen/Izraeli]su - Jelsz?: pv at Csiszilla ~]mc pv at Csiszilla /Programs]update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && echo "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "/System/Variable/mime") update-mime-database: I don't have write permission on /System/Variable/mime. Try rerunning me as root. zsh: abort update-mime-database (The "pv" is me the superuser). Zoli 2007/6/15, Jonas Karlsson : > > It's not necessary to run scripts as superuser, if one set up sudo > appropriately, therefore I had to ask. > > Which version of of Shared-Mime-Database do you have installed and what is > the value of ${XDG_DATA_HOME} (do 'echo ${XDG_DATA_HOME}')? What do you > get > if you run > > update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && echo > "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "/System/Variable/mime") > > manually? If that fails could you try > > update-mime-database /System/Variable/mime > > -- > /Jonas > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:19:45 +0200, Viola Zolt?n > wrote: > > > Of course, I run the SymlinkProgram (and Compile, DisableProgram and > other > > scripts) as superuser. The "pv" in the sended messages is my "root" > user. > > > > Zoli > > > > 2007/6/14, Jonas Karlsson : > >> > >> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:26:30 +0200, Viola Zolt?n > >> wrote: > >> > >> > pv at Csiszilla /Programs/OpenOffice]SymlinkProgram OpenOffice > >> > SymlinkProgram: Symlinking OpenOffice 2.2.1. > >> [snip] > >> > /Programs/Scripts/2.6.5/bin/../Functions/GoboLinux: line 63: 10195 > >> > Aborted update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] > && > >> echo > >> > "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "${goboVariable}/mime") >/dev/null > >> > SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... > >> > SymlinkProgram: Done. > >> > > >> > ??? > >> Do you run SymlinkProgram as superuser or regular user? > >> > >> -- > >> /Jonas > >> > >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gobolinux-users mailing list > >> gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > >> http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070616/35af3336/attachment-0001.htm From jonka750 at student.liu.se Sun Jun 17 18:52:17 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:52:17 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Error in Scripts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:23:37 +0200, Viola Zolt?n wrote: > Dear Jonas, echo ${XDG_DATA_HOME} print for me nothing! > The Shared-mime-info info is for me the 0.20 version. I not fint in > /Programs any "Shared-Mime-Database" directory. Sorry, I meant Shared-Mime-Info. What do you get if you run 'grep XDG /System/Links/Environment/* | grep -v Cache' > > Others, it is interest: I am root, but the computer like me non-root: > > vz at Csiszilla HDA6/web/Zene/Idegen/Izraeli]su - > Jelsz?: > pv at Csiszilla ~]mc > > pv at Csiszilla /Programs]update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && echo > "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "/System/Variable/mime") > update-mime-database: I don't have write permission on > /System/Variable/mime. > Try rerunning me as root. > > zsh: abort update-mime-database > > > (The "pv" is me the superuser). > What is the output from 'ls -l /System/Variable/mime'? -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From violazoli at gmail.com Sun Jun 17 19:10:21 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:10:21 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Error in Scripts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Jonas, for the grep... etc, so for you tip I have nothing output! Voila! vz at Csiszilla /Depot/Letolt/ofra]grep XDG /System/Links/Environment/* | grep -v Cache grep: /System/Links/Environment/Htop--0.6.4: Permission denied vz at Csiszilla /Depot/Letolt/ofra]su - Jelsz?: pv at Csiszilla ~]grep XDG /System/Links/Environment/* | grep -v Cache pv at Csiszilla ~] pv at Csiszilla ~]ls -l /System/Variable/mime ls: /System/Variable/mime: No such file or directory pv at Csiszilla ~] Zoli 2007/6/17, Jonas Karlsson : > > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:23:37 +0200, Viola Zolt?n > wrote: > > > Dear Jonas, echo ${XDG_DATA_HOME} print for me nothing! > > The Shared-mime-info info is for me the 0.20 version. I not fint in > > /Programs any "Shared-Mime-Database" directory. > > Sorry, I meant Shared-Mime-Info. > What do you get if you run > 'grep XDG /System/Links/Environment/* | grep -v Cache' > > > > > Others, it is interest: I am root, but the computer like me non-root: > > > > vz at Csiszilla HDA6/web/Zene/Idegen/Izraeli]su - > > Jelsz?: > > pv at Csiszilla ~]mc > > > > pv at Csiszilla /Programs]update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && > echo > > "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "/System/Variable/mime") > > update-mime-database: I don't have write permission on > > /System/Variable/mime. > > Try rerunning me as root. > > > > zsh: abort update-mime-database > > > > > > (The "pv" is me the superuser). > > > What is the output from > 'ls -l /System/Variable/mime'? > > -- > /Jonas > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070617/1f67c6ef/attachment.htm From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Mon Jun 18 00:45:42 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:45:42 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Forum status In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706061044v18903a29te623819818ba8fff@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e7d91620706061044v18903a29te623819818ba8fff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/7/07, Hisham Muhammad wrote: > Hi, > > When the forum is ready to be linked and announced in the main > website, please let me know and I'll take care of this part. Consensus seems to be that it's ready now, so let's announce and see how things develop. -Michael From jonka750 at student.liu.se Mon Jun 18 12:51:58 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (jonka750 at student.liu.se) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:51:58 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Error in Scripts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76a336670706180551n51cdef46qac0ded59f232c3bf@mail.gmail.com> 2007/6/17, Viola Zolt?n : > Dear Jonas, for the grep... etc, so for you tip I have nothing output! > Voila! > > vz at Csiszilla /Depot/Letolt/ofra]grep XDG /System/Links/Environment/* | grep > -v Cache > grep: /System/Links/Environment/Htop--0.6.4: Permission > denied > vz at Csiszilla /Depot/Letolt/ofra]su - > Jelsz?: > pv at Csiszilla ~]grep XDG /System/Links/Environment/* | grep -v Cache > pv at Csiszilla ~] Do you have Environment file in your Shared-MIME-info program directory (in Current/Resourses)? > pv at Csiszilla ~]ls -l /System/Variable/mime > ls: /System/Variable/mime: No such file or directory > pv at Csiszilla ~] > Could you try and create the /System/Variable/mime directory ('mkdir -p /System/Variable/mime') and run update-mime-database (as below) and/or SymlinkProgram again? -- /Jonas > 2007/6/17, Jonas Karlsson : > > > > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:23:37 +0200, Viola Zolt?n > wrote: > > > > > Dear Jonas, echo ${XDG_DATA_HOME} print for me nothing! > > > The Shared-mime-info info is for me the 0.20 version. I not fint in > > > /Programs any "Shared-Mime-Database" directory. > > > > Sorry, I meant Shared-Mime-Info. > > What do you get if you run > > 'grep XDG /System/Links/Environment/* | grep -v Cache' > > > > > > > > Others, it is interest: I am root, but the computer like me non-root: > > > > > > vz at Csiszilla HDA6/web/Zene/Idegen/Izraeli]su - > > > Jelsz?: > > > pv at Csiszilla ~]mc > > > > > > pv at Csiszilla /Programs]update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && > echo > > > "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "/System/Variable/mime") > > > update-mime-database: I don't have write permission on > > > /System/Variable/mime. > > > Try rerunning me as root. > > > > > > zsh: abort update-mime-database > > > > > > > > > (The "pv" is me the superuser). > > > > > What is the output from > > 'ls -l /System/Variable/mime'? > > > > -- > > /Jonas > > From violazoli at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 09:41:42 2007 From: violazoli at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Viola_Zolt=E1n?=) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:41:42 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Error in Scripts? In-Reply-To: <76a336670706180551n51cdef46qac0ded59f232c3bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <76a336670706180551n51cdef46qac0ded59f232c3bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Jonas, I cannot have Resources directory in /Programs/Shared-mime-info directory! Others: vz at Csiszilla /Programs/Shared-mime-info/Current]su - Jelsz?: pv at Csiszilla ~]mkdir -p /System/Variable/mime pv at Csiszilla ~]update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && echo "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "/System/Variable/mime") Directory '/System/Variable/mime/packages' does not exist! Zoli 2007/6/18, jonka750 at student.liu.se : > > 2007/6/17, Viola Zolt?n : > > Dear Jonas, for the grep... etc, so for you tip I have nothing output! > > Voila! > > > > vz at Csiszilla /Depot/Letolt/ofra]grep XDG /System/Links/Environment/* | > grep > > -v Cache > > grep: /System/Links/Environment/Htop--0.6.4: Permission > > denied > > vz at Csiszilla /Depot/Letolt/ofra]su - > > Jelsz?: > > pv at Csiszilla ~]grep XDG /System/Links/Environment/* | grep -v Cache > > pv at Csiszilla ~] > > Do you have Environment file in your Shared-MIME-info program directory > (in Current/Resourses)? > > > pv at Csiszilla ~]ls -l /System/Variable/mime > > ls: /System/Variable/mime: No such file or directory > > pv at Csiszilla ~] > > > Could you try and create the /System/Variable/mime directory ('mkdir -p > /System/Variable/mime') and run update-mime-database (as below) and/or > SymlinkProgram again? > > -- > /Jonas > > > 2007/6/17, Jonas Karlsson : > > > > > > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:23:37 +0200, Viola Zolt?n > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Jonas, echo ${XDG_DATA_HOME} print for me nothing! > > > > The Shared-mime-info info is for me the 0.20 version. I not fint in > > > > /Programs any "Shared-Mime-Database" directory. > > > > > > Sorry, I meant Shared-Mime-Info. > > > What do you get if you run > > > 'grep XDG /System/Links/Environment/* | grep -v Cache' > > > > > > > > > > > Others, it is interest: I am root, but the computer like me > non-root: > > > > > > > > vz at Csiszilla HDA6/web/Zene/Idegen/Izraeli]su - > > > > Jelsz?: > > > > pv at Csiszilla ~]mc > > > > > > > > pv at Csiszilla /Programs]update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] > && > > echo > > > > "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "/System/Variable/mime") > > > > update-mime-database: I don't have write permission on > > > > /System/Variable/mime. > > > > Try rerunning me as root. > > > > > > > > zsh: abort update-mime-database > > > > > > > > > > > > (The "pv" is me the superuser). > > > > > > > What is the output from > > > 'ls -l /System/Variable/mime'? > > > > > > -- > > > /Jonas > > > > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -- Honlapom: http://poliverzum.birodalom.net/powi F?rumom: http://birodalom.net/forum A #86-os sorsz?m? hivatalosan bejegyzett GoboLinux felhaszn?l? The #86 official GoboLinux-user A GoboLinux felhaszn?l?k hivatalos magyar f?ruma: The official forum for the hungarian GoboLinux-users: http://linux.birodalom.net/smf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070619/4a42b3a1/attachment.htm From jonka750 at student.liu.se Tue Jun 19 11:32:13 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:32:13 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Error in Scripts? In-Reply-To: References: <76a336670706180551n51cdef46qac0ded59f232c3bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <76a336670706190432q4bdb9521sb78ce58b84f0dd64@mail.gmail.com> 2007/6/19, Viola Zolt?n : > Dear Jonas, I cannot have Resources directory in /Programs/Shared-mime-info > directory! > How did you install Shared-MIME-Info, from recipe or package? > Others: > > vz at Csiszilla /Programs/Shared-mime-info/Current]su - > Jelsz?: > pv at Csiszilla ~]mkdir -p /System/Variable/mime > pv at Csiszilla ~]update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && echo > "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "/System/Variable/mime") > Directory '/System/Variable/mime/packages' does not exist! > Then create it and try again. -- /Jonas From jonka750 at student.liu.se Tue Jun 19 21:37:05 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:37:05 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Error in Scripts? In-Reply-To: <76a336670706190432q4bdb9521sb78ce58b84f0dd64@mail.gmail.com> References: <76a336670706180551n51cdef46qac0ded59f232c3bf@mail.gmail.com> <76a336670706190432q4bdb9521sb78ce58b84f0dd64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:32:13 +0200, Jonas Karlsson wrote: > 2007/6/19, Viola Zolt?n : >> Dear Jonas, I cannot have Resources directory in /Programs/Shared-mime-info >> directory! >> > How did you install Shared-MIME-Info, from recipe or package? > >> Others: >> >> vz at Csiszilla /Programs/Shared-mime-info/Current]su - >> Jelsz?: >> pv at Csiszilla ~]mkdir -p /System/Variable/mime >> pv at Csiszilla ~]update-mime-database $([ ${XDG_DATA_HOME} ] && echo >> "${XDG_DATA_HOME}/mime" || echo "/System/Variable/mime") >> Directory '/System/Variable/mime/packages' does not exist! >> > Then create it and try again. > On a second thought, can you run 'ln -s /System/Links/Shared/mime/packages /System/Variable/mime/packages' instead (and try update-mime-database again). -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From carlo at calica.com Wed Jun 20 06:22:38 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:22:38 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] gobo.calica.com IP transition Message-ID: My ISP is changing my IP address. Let me know if you notice any problems. -- Carlo J. Calica From goboster at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 07:46:57 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] /dev/dsp disappeared after upgrade Message-ID: <701172.71533.qm@web62108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Got sound working even a little better now. In case anyone was having similar problems, I added a module -- something like OSS Mixer -- to the kernel, then I was getting an error stating /dev/dsp was already in use at startup. Some old Ubuntu forums state this is due to artsd hogging /dev/dsp at startup. So I killed artsd, got sound back in all my apps but KDE. Disabled "enable sound system" in the control panel, no errors at startup (and no sound from KDE). At least Amarok works now. I yahoo.com> wrote: > > Lucas said: > >On 6/5/07, Hi There wrote: > >> One of many problems I've encountered after > upgrading > >> to newer packages (KDE, kernel, xorg, udev) is that > >> sound has stopped working. I think it happened at > the > >> KDE upgrade stage. There is no longer a /dev/dsp > >> present. KDE pops up a window at startup: > >> > >> Error while initializing the sound driver: > >> device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or > >> directory) > >> The sound server will continue, using the null > output > >> device. > > >Please take a look at the other thread. I just > >replied about this problem there. > > >> BTW, can't Compile ALSA-Driver 1.0.13-r2, it gives > >> kernel header file errors, looks like it's not > >> compatible with kernel 2.6.21.1. > > >Since you're running an updated kernel I don't think > >there's a good > >reason to compile a stand-alone alsa driver package > >(unless there were > >important enhancements to your sound card's driver > >since then). > > Just mentioned that because some people in gentoo > forums suggested using the older, stable, stand-alone > alsa drivers when having trouble. Doesn't matter much > because... > > I'm making some progress on the problem. The > snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_oss modules weren't being > loaded at startup, and those are the ones responsible > for the /dev/dsp entry. I added those two modules to > the > UserDefinedModules entry in BootOptions. Now I have a > /dev/dsp again, and an application (mplayer) plays > sound again. > > This thread at the gentoo forums helped get me this > far http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-279086.html > > Unfortunately, I can't get sound out of KDE itself. No > startup sounds, and the "Test" button in the Control > Center's Sound System panel does nothing. KMix does > change the volume level of mplayer. Under Sound System > -> Hardware -> Select the audio device, ALSA is not > listed, I'm pretty sure it is in most KDE > environments. > > Amarok also fails to output sound giving the error > "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers" at > startup. I tried all of the suggestions in this Ubuntu > thread > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=be011084f8b6459760b7db081b758a44&t=102064&page=3 > none worked. > > So where are these modules supposed to be loaded, if > not from UserDefinedModules? I didn't have oss entries > in there before, and sound worked fine. They're not in > /etc/modprobe.conf either (blacklist or alias). Am I > supposed to have some sound entries in there? Is udev > supposed to be taking care of this stuff? > > I added the alias entries suggested here > http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel > to /etc/modprobe.conf, and used their suggested > .asoundrc file in my home directory just in case that > was the missing ingredient. KDE and Amarok still > refuse to work. > > >-- > >Lucas > >powered by /dev/dsp > > -- > Mike > barely powered by /dev/dsp > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From goboster at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 08:03:53 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] evdev with mice Message-ID: <947323.2685.qm@web62107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Has anyone here gotten evdev working with their fancy mice? The mouse ExplorerPS/2 XOrg driver seems to only handle 7 buttons (wheels count 2x for up/down). modprobe evdev returns "FATAL: Module evdev not found." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Thu Jun 21 08:16:40 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:16:40 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] /dev/dsp disappeared after upgrade In-Reply-To: <701172.71533.qm@web62108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <701172.71533.qm@web62108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/21/07, Hi There wrote: > Got sound working even a little better now. In case > anyone was having similar > problems, I added a module -- something like OSS Mixer > -- to the kernel, then I > was getting an error stating /dev/dsp was already in > use at startup. Some old > Ubuntu forums state this is due to artsd hogging > /dev/dsp at startup. So I > killed artsd, got sound back in all my apps but KDE. > Disabled "enable sound > system" in the control panel, no errors at startup > (and no sound from KDE). KDE routes all its sound through artsd; if you're using OSS, you have to choose whether you want sound there or in exactly one other place at a time. You can try running everything via artsdsp, but some programs don't play well with it (artsdsp -m will help for some of those). You really would be better off trying to get ALSA going properly. If you have an Ubuntu or Knoppix CD around, use it and see which modules they load for sound. You may want to save the output of lsmod to disk and go through one by one to see which section of the kernel config they're in if you don't recognise which it is. Or enable the lot and modprobe them one at a time until it works. To be clear though, the absence of /dev/dsp after that is expected behaviour unless you've enabled legacy emulation, and programs should be using the ALSA interface instead. I wouldn't recommend using OSS to anybody (it's deprecated for a reason). Any program that really needs /dev/dsp is something you should look at replacing, since it clearly hasn't been updated in a while. -Michael From goboster at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 11:44:04 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] /dev/dsp disappeared after upgrade Message-ID: <886531.2021.qm@web62103.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Michael Homer wotfun.com> writes: > > On 6/21/07, Hi There yahoo.com> wrote: > > Got sound working even a little better now. In case *snip* > > Some old > > Ubuntu forums state this is due to artsd hogging > > /dev/dsp at startup. So I > > killed artsd, got sound back in all my apps but KDE. > > Disabled "enable sound > > system" in the control panel, no errors at startup > > (and no sound from KDE). > KDE routes all its sound through artsd; if you're using OSS, you have > to choose whether you want sound there or in exactly one other place > at a time. You can try running everything via artsdsp, but some > programs don't play well with it (artsdsp -m will help for some of > those). > > You really would be better off trying to get ALSA going properly. If > you have an Ubuntu or Knoppix CD around, use it and see which modules > they load for sound. You may want to save the output of lsmod to disk > and go through one by one to see which section of the kernel config > they're in if you don't recognise which it is. Or enable the lot and > modprobe them one at a time until it works. To be clear though, the > absence of /dev/dsp after that is expected behaviour unless you've > enabled legacy emulation, and programs should be using the ALSA > interface instead. > > I wouldn't recommend using OSS to anybody (it's deprecated for a > reason). Any program that really needs /dev/dsp is something you > should look at replacing, since it clearly hasn't been updated in a > while. > -Michael > I know OSS is supposed to be a bad idea, originally when I upgraded to the latest kernel I left it out entirely to "force" a switch over. KDE complained about no /dev/dsp, and ALSA wasn't being used by the Sound System (not even listed) though the modules appeared to be loaded. Any idea if there's some config setting to make KDE recognize ALSA exists, and force KDE to use it? In any case, I'll try your Knoppix idea and see what differences there are, thanks for the suggestion. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Thu Jun 21 12:27:18 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:27:18 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] evdev with mice In-Reply-To: <947323.2685.qm@web62107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <947323.2685.qm@web62107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2c03f9590706210527q5c30fe79v2b9fb3549e3e627@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/07, Hi There wrote: > Has anyone here gotten evdev working with their fancy > mice? > > The mouse ExplorerPS/2 XOrg driver seems to only > handle 7 buttons (wheels count 2x for up/down). > modprobe evdev returns "FATAL: Module evdev not found." evdev is supposed to be compiled as a kernel built-in: lucasvr at Odyssey ~]cp /proc/config.gz . lucasvr at Odyssey ~]gzip -d config.gz lucasvr at Odyssey ~]g evdev config config 2054:CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV=y So it should be already available for use. -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From hisham.hm at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 21:08:08 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (Hisham Muhammad) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:08:08 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper poll Message-ID: <5e7d91620706211408s6fb5037ct31272fe2e55ba6ba@mail.gmail.com> Hi there, As many people wanted voting to be not restricted to the mailing list, I just added a poll to the webpage: http://gobolinux.org/wallpaper_poll/ (It's announced on a news post in the frontpage as well.) The voting period is short, but we need to have this wallpaper issue settled in order to freeze the EnhancedSkel package. -- Hisham From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Thu Jun 21 23:19:48 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:19:48 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] /dev/dsp disappeared after upgrade In-Reply-To: <886531.2021.qm@web62103.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <886531.2021.qm@web62103.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/21/07, Hi There wrote: > Michael Homer wotfun.com> > writes: > > > > > On 6/21/07, Hi There yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > Got sound working even a little better now. In > case > *snip* > > > Some old > > > Ubuntu forums state this is due to artsd hogging > > > /dev/dsp at startup. So I > > > killed artsd, got sound back in all my apps but > KDE. > > > Disabled "enable sound > > > system" in the control panel, no errors at startup > > > (and no sound from KDE). > > KDE routes all its sound through artsd; if you're > using OSS, you have > > to choose whether you want sound there or in exactly > one other place > > at a time. You can try running everything via > artsdsp, but some > > programs don't play well with it (artsdsp -m will > help for some of > > those). > > > > You really would be better off trying to get ALSA > going properly. If > > you have an Ubuntu or Knoppix CD around, use it and > see which modules > > they load for sound. You may want to save the output > of lsmod to disk > > and go through one by one to see which section of > the kernel config > > they're in if you don't recognise which it is. Or > enable the lot and > > modprobe them one at a time until it works. To be > clear though, the > > absence of /dev/dsp after that is expected behaviour > unless you've > > enabled legacy emulation, and programs should be > using the ALSA > > interface instead. > > > > I wouldn't recommend using OSS to anybody (it's > deprecated for a > > reason). Any program that really needs /dev/dsp is > something you > > should look at replacing, since it clearly hasn't > been updated in a > > while. > > -Michael > > > > I know OSS is supposed to be a bad idea, originally > when I upgraded to the > latest kernel I left it out entirely to "force" a > switch over. KDE complained > about no /dev/dsp, and ALSA wasn't being used by the > Sound System (not even > listed) though the modules appeared to be loaded. Any > idea if there's some > config setting to make KDE recognize ALSA exists, and > force KDE to use it? It should pick it up automatically - if it doesn't, ALSA isn't enabled, isn't there, or isn't working. You may need to recompile ARTS if ALSA support wasn't enabled in it, and if ALSA works elsewhere (mplayer is a good testbed, because it prints out debugging information). I don't know whether you've done that or not. If you can only get OSS working, though, run artsd and then run other programs you want sound from using artsdsp (e.g. `artsdsp firefox`). It works with most programs, and artsdsp -m will work with some others. -Michael From jeremy.visser at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 06:05:09 2007 From: jeremy.visser at gmail.com (Jeremy Visser) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:05:09 +1000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] GNOME on GoboLinux Message-ID: <467B6695.7030904@gmail.com> Is there any interest in running the GNOME Desktop Environment (like version 2.18) on GoboLinux? Currently, only dribs and drabs of mostly <= 2.10 packages are available, and no serious effort has been made to package and maintain the whole desktop environment. (that I'm aware of anyway) I like GNOME much better than KDE. It is aesthetically pleasing, helps me think about what I'm actually doing on the computer, not the mechanics of actually doing it, and its VFS support is heaps better than KDE's (like sshfs, smbfs). So, is there anyone interested in doing this? I would love to help, except I have absolutely no experience compiling GNOME or maintaining _anything_. I'm lucky that I managed to compile ioQuake3 the other day. Well, actually, I didn't compile it -- rather, the walkthrough compiled it for me. ;) If not for that, I would gladly take on the role of packaging it myself. -- Jeremy Visser () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From mla-gobo at forrussia.org Fri Jun 22 07:09:56 2007 From: mla-gobo at forrussia.org (MLA-Gobo) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:09:56 +0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] GNOME on GoboLinux In-Reply-To: <467B6695.7030904@gmail.com> References: <467B6695.7030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200706221109.56397.mla-gobo@forrussia.org> On Friday 22 June 2007 10:05, Jeremy Visser wrote: > Is there any interest in running the GNOME Desktop Environment (like > version 2.18) on GoboLinux? The problem (as far as I understand it; please correct me if I'm wrong) is that GNOME is a hopeless mass of interdependencies that has a very fragile compile sequence. It's not that no one is interested in packaging GNOME, it's just very, very difficult to do so. I can think of two attempts within recent memory of people attempting to get GNOME working, so I'm sure someone will pipe up with the specific problems. :Peter From pdgiddie at googlemail.com Fri Jun 22 09:00:07 2007 From: pdgiddie at googlemail.com (Paul Dann) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:00:07 +0100 Subject: [gobolinux-users] user-friendly Gobolinux Message-ID: <467B8F97.5070602@googlemail.com> Hi all, Whilst searching for info on Listener I accidentally stumbled across a post from "kenneth marken" in 2005: > here is a blog or something that was posted on osnews the other day. > while the first page is stock "whats wrong with linux" filler, the next > couple of pages are interesting, mostly when he gets to talking about > mounting /home as a database file system. > > http://akaimbatman.blogspot.com/2005/06/linux-desktop-distribution-of-future_15.html I was shocked to discover that there were no replies to this. This is one of the most spot-on articles I've ever read on Linux usability in my opinion. What's more, I think that a lot of what this guy is suggesting could be implemented reasonably easily in Gobolinux, except for the new database filesystem. Just to be clear --- I agree that Gobolinux shouldn't contain special Gobo-specific versions of software like in Ubuntu. I don't see a big problem with small patches that can be included in recipes, like the Gobohide patch, but for feature changes we should really be pushing the application developers. Great, that'll be fun :p I am hoping to get my hands dirty eventually, when things start settling down a bit for me. I'm pretty much fresh out of university and am officially a software engineer now, which is a boost to my confidence as a programmer. I'm getting married in 8 days (!) but hopefully next time I have a bit of time I'll start looking in to what would be required to make some of these things a reality. Before Gobolinux, I just couldn't contemplate switching to Linux. The filesystem was the number one reason I found Linux unusable. Now with the arrival of Listener, I think there's a lot that can be done for usability in Gobolinux that could actually start to make it a great user-friendly desktop. Software installation is still a pain, even though it's so much easier in Gobolinux than other systems. I have to use MacOS X somewhat for work, and I have to say that Apple completely nailed software installation. They obviously have the AppFolder idea that is present in Gobolinux, but the difference is that an application can be run from anywhere without any kind of manual SymlinkProgram command. If you want to try something out, you can download the DMG file, double-click to mount it, double-click the app inside to run. If you like it, you can copy it anywhere you want, but /Applications makes the most sense. That couldn't be too difficult to do with Listener. I know we're half-way there already. I'm thinking about possibilities involving fuse fs. Instead of symlinking from a /Programs folder, why not "mount" a Program? Once it's mounted it could be run as normal from the command line until it's unmounted. I also like his idea of bundling libraries with Programs. Dependencies are still a nightmare, even in Gobolinux. It would also be nice to have KDE treat app folders differently, but that's a huge topic best left for later. Anyway, sorry to waffle. Guess I just need to let off steam :D Thanks go to the GoboDevelopers for all their hard work so far. You're an inspiration! Paul From jonka750 at student.liu.se Fri Jun 22 15:23:13 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:23:13 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] /dev/dsp disappeared after upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <886531.2021.qm@web62103.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76a336670706220823o567911a3oe2f8eb4cf0625d88@mail.gmail.com> 2007/6/21, Michael Homer : > On 6/21/07, Hi There wrote: > > Michael Homer wotfun.com> > > writes: > > > > > > > > On 6/21/07, Hi There yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > > Got sound working even a little better now. In > > case > > *snip* > > > > Some old > > > > Ubuntu forums state this is due to artsd hogging > > > > /dev/dsp at startup. So I > > > > killed artsd, got sound back in all my apps but > > KDE. > > > > Disabled "enable sound > > > > system" in the control panel, no errors at startup > > > > (and no sound from KDE). > > > KDE routes all its sound through artsd; if you're > > using OSS, you have > > > to choose whether you want sound there or in exactly > > one other place > > > at a time. You can try running everything via > > artsdsp, but some > > > programs don't play well with it (artsdsp -m will > > help for some of > > > those). > > > > > > You really would be better off trying to get ALSA > > going properly. If > > > you have an Ubuntu or Knoppix CD around, use it and > > see which modules > > > they load for sound. You may want to save the output > > of lsmod to disk > > > and go through one by one to see which section of > > the kernel config > > > they're in if you don't recognise which it is. Or > > enable the lot and > > > modprobe them one at a time until it works. To be > > clear though, the > > > absence of /dev/dsp after that is expected behaviour > > unless you've > > > enabled legacy emulation, and programs should be > > using the ALSA > > > interface instead. > > > > > > I wouldn't recommend using OSS to anybody (it's > > deprecated for a > > > reason). Any program that really needs /dev/dsp is > > something you > > > should look at replacing, since it clearly hasn't > > been updated in a > > > while. > > > -Michael > > > > > > > I know OSS is supposed to be a bad idea, originally > > when I upgraded to the > > latest kernel I left it out entirely to "force" a > > switch over. KDE complained > > about no /dev/dsp, and ALSA wasn't being used by the > > Sound System (not even > > listed) though the modules appeared to be loaded. Any > > idea if there's some > > config setting to make KDE recognize ALSA exists, and > > force KDE to use it? > It should pick it up automatically - if it doesn't, ALSA isn't > enabled, isn't there, or isn't working. You may need to recompile ARTS > if ALSA support wasn't enabled in it If the GoboLinux recipe or package was used, alsa is enabled (arts is a sub-part of kde-libs). -- /Jonas From jonka750 at student.liu.se Fri Jun 22 17:17:39 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:17:39 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] GNOME on GoboLinux In-Reply-To: <200706221109.56397.mla-gobo@forrussia.org> References: <467B6695.7030904@gmail.com> <200706221109.56397.mla-gobo@forrussia.org> Message-ID: <76a336670706221017r322c76c8gffc8c7a9b8caf146@mail.gmail.com> 2007/6/22, MLA-Gobo : > On Friday 22 June 2007 10:05, Jeremy Visser wrote: > > Is there any interest in running the GNOME Desktop Environment (like > > version 2.18) on GoboLinux? > The problem (as far as I understand it; please correct me if I'm wrong) > is > that GNOME is a hopeless mass of interdependencies that has a very fragile > compile sequence. It's not that no one is interested in packaging GNOME, > it's > just very, very difficult to do so. > I can think of two attempts within recent memory of people attempting to > get GNOME working, so I'm sure someone will pipe up with the specific > problems. The problem isn't complicated interdependencies, but that some gnome apps needs thd same prefix and doesn't play well with the gobolinux layout. Then there's problems like gconf, into which directory almost all gnome apps want to put their config xml files. To this particular problem I have an idea for a solution, just that I haven't had the time, but there are more, similar problems (layout assumptions made by the gnome devs) with other gnome apps. -- /Jonas From mpb.mail at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 23:27:16 2007 From: mpb.mail at gmail.com (mpb) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:27:16 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Strange SignProgram tar error in simple recipe. Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know what is causing the below error in the attached (very simple) recipe? Thanks, mpb The error is: -------- [snip] SymlinkProgram: Done. Compile: Generating package's build information... Bypassing verification for superuser Generating dependency report. Please wait: | Compile: Generating package's signature... SignProgram: Unpacking /home/gobo/Programs/AutoPatch at /tmp... tar: /home/gobo/Programs/AutoPatch: Cannot read: Is a directory tar: At beginning of tape, quitting now tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly; perhaps it is corrupted? *Possible* reason follows. bzip2: Invalid argument Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout) It is possible that the compressed file(s) have become corrupted. You can use the -tvv option to test integrity of such files. You can use the `bzip2recover' program to attempt to recover data from undamaged sections of corrupted files. tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors SignProgram: Error unpacking /home/gobo/Programs/AutoPatch (AutoPatch ) -------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: AutoPatch--0.9--recipe.tar.bz2 Type: application/x-bzip2 Size: 812 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070622/341a0276/attachment.bin -------------- next part -------------- gobo at slate ~]Compile autopatch Compile: Locating a recipe for autopatch ... Compile: Found recipe for autopatch GetRecipe: Trying to get /home/gobo/Files/Compile/LocalRecipes/AutoPatch/0.9 Compile: Recipe placed in /home/gobo/Files/Compile/LocalRecipes/AutoPatch/0.9 Compile: Checking dependencies... Compile: Compiling AutoPatch version 0.9. Compile: Unpacking file /home/gobo/Files/Compile/Archives/autopatch-0.9.tar.gz... make: Nothing to be done for `make'. SandboxInstall: unionfs is unavailable. Fallback to FiboSandbox! SandboxInstall: Installing AutoPatch... cp AutoPatch /home/gobo/Programs/AutoPatch/0.9/bin/ chmod 555 /home/gobo/Programs/AutoPatch/0.9/bin/AutoPatch Compile: Stripping executables... UpdateSettings: Current and default settings match SymlinkProgram: Symlinking AutoPatch 0.9. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking global settings... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking tasks... SymlinkProgram: Storing variable files... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking libraries... SymlinkProgram: Updating library database (ldconfig)... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking headers... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking info... SymlinkProgram: Updating info dir... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking manuals... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking executables... SymlinkProgram: Processed 1 file. SymlinkProgram: Symlinking wrappers... SymlinkProgram: Symlinking shared... SymlinkProgram: Removing unused directories... SymlinkProgram: Done. Compile: Generating package's build information... Bypassing verification for superuser Generating dependency report. Please wait: | Compile: Generating package's signature... SignProgram: Unpacking /home/gobo/Programs/AutoPatch at /tmp... tar: /home/gobo/Programs/AutoPatch: Cannot read: Is a directory tar: At beginning of tape, quitting now tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly; perhaps it is corrupted? *Possible* reason follows. bzip2: Invalid argument Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout) It is possible that the compressed file(s) have become corrupted. You can use the -tvv option to test integrity of such files. You can use the `bzip2recover' program to attempt to recover data from undamaged sections of corrupted files. tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors SignProgram: Error unpacking /home/gobo/Programs/AutoPatch (AutoPatch ) From jeremy.visser at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 01:53:14 2007 From: jeremy.visser at gmail.com (Jeremy Visser) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:53:14 +1000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] GNOME on GoboLinux In-Reply-To: <76a336670706221017r322c76c8gffc8c7a9b8caf146@mail.gmail.com> References: <467B6695.7030904@gmail.com> <200706221109.56397.mla-gobo@forrussia.org> <76a336670706221017r322c76c8gffc8c7a9b8caf146@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <467C7D0A.7090709@gmail.com> Jonas Karlsson wrote: > (layout assumptions made by the gnome devs) Do you think we could fix it? Maybe we should send GNOME a list of specific problems why GNOME won't run on Gobo. From demianflorentin at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 03:25:15 2007 From: demianflorentin at gmail.com (demian florentin) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:25:15 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1 Message-ID: Hello, i compiled kernel-2.6.21.1 but gobohide isn't working, when i run "gobohide -h " i get the following from the logger: Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 6884f452 Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: printing eip: Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: c108e04d Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: *pde = 00000000 Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Oops: 0000 [#13] Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: PREEMPT SMP Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Modules linked in: ipv6 nvidia(P) joydev snd_via82xx snd_ac97_codec ac97_bus snd_mpu401_uart ns558 gameport snd_rawmidi nvidiafb i2c_algo_bit tsdev via82cxxx_audio uart401 sound i2c_viapro i2c_core ac97_codec via_ircc irda via_agp via_rhine mii shpchp pci_hotplug Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: CPU: 0 Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: EIP: 0060:[] Tainted: P VLI Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: EFLAGS: 00210206 (2.6.21.1-Gobo #1) Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: EIP is at gobolinux_translate_inode_nr+0x9/0xd Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: eax: 6884f432 ebx: e4fd4e40 ecx: 00001000 edx: c1713dc8 Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: esi: c5c0b380 edi: 0000be21 ebp: 00000003 esp: d5ee1f6c Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: ds: 007b es: 007b fs: 00d8 gs: 0033 ss: 0068 Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Process gobohide (pid: 24971, ti=d5ee0000 task=cd5205e0 task.ti=d5ee0000) Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Stack: c108e2e5 00000000 00000000 da5d9540 bfb4a93c c106af54 df3c62b4 df3c6280 Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: 00000000 da5d9540 bfb4a93c d5ee0000 c106b0ab bfb4a93c 00000000 00000003 Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: bfb4c816 00000001 c1003e94 00000003 40040022 bfb4a93c bfb4c816 00000001 Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Call Trace: Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: [] gobolinux_inode_add+0x5f/0xb6 Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: [] vfs_ioctl+0x182/0x28d Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: [] sys_ioctl+0x4c/0x65 Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: [] syscall_call+0x7/0xb Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: ======================= Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Code: 00 00 8b 44 24 10 e8 a3 fe 48 00 a1 80 f2 6f c1 89 da e8 f5 ed fc ff 83 c4 18 89 e8 5b 5e 5f 5d c3 90 8b 50 cc 8b 40 f8 8b 04 90 <8b> 40 20 c3 55 89 d5 57 56 89 c6 53 83 cb ff 85 c0 74 4a eb 10 Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: EIP: [] gobolinux_translate_inode_nr+0x9/0xd SS:ESP 0068:d5ee1f6c greets. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070622/27678b2c/attachment-0001.htm From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Sat Jun 23 06:25:18 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 03:25:18 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c03f9590706222325j11cc63eg8b9ac591383e70bb@mail.gmail.com> On 6/23/07, demian florentin wrote: > Hello, i compiled kernel-2.6.21.1 but gobohide isn't working, when i run > "gobohide -h " i get the following from the logger: > > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request > at virtual address 6884f452 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: printing eip: > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: c108e04d > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: *pde = 00000000 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Oops: 0000 [#13] > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: PREEMPT SMP > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Modules linked in: ipv6 nvidia(P) joydev > snd_via82xx snd_ac97_codec ac97_bus snd_mpu401_uart ns558 gameport > snd_rawmidi nvidiafb i2c_algo_bit tsdev via82cxxx_audio uart401 sound > i2c_viapro i2c_core ac97_codec via_ircc irda via_agp via_rhine mii shpchp > pci_hotplug > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: CPU: 0 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: EIP: 0060:[] Tainted: P > VLI > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: EFLAGS: 00210206 (2.6.21.1-Gobo #1) > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: EIP is at > gobolinux_translate_inode_nr+0x9/0xd > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: eax: 6884f432 ebx: e4fd4e40 ecx: 00001000 > edx: c1713dc8 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: esi: c5c0b380 edi: 0000be21 ebp: 00000003 > esp: d5ee1f6c > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: ds: 007b es: 007b fs: 00d8 gs: 0033 ss: > 0068 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Process gobohide (pid: 24971, ti=d5ee0000 > task=cd5205e0 task.ti=d5ee0000) > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Stack: c108e2e5 00000000 00000000 da5d9540 > bfb4a93c c106af54 df3c62b4 df3c6280 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: 00000000 da5d9540 bfb4a93c d5ee0000 > c106b0ab bfb4a93c 00000000 00000003 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: bfb4c816 00000001 c1003e94 00000003 > 40040022 bfb4a93c bfb4c816 00000001 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Call Trace: > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: [] gobolinux_inode_add+0x5f/0xb6 Hmm.. in which filesystem are you running gobohide? There were some changes in its code on 2.6.21.1, but they were almost restricted to unionfs domain. -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From molfar.ua at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 06:32:33 2007 From: molfar.ua at gmail.com (molfar) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:32:33 +0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] user-friendly Gobolinux In-Reply-To: <467B8F97.5070602@googlemail.com> References: <467B8F97.5070602@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <49e748a90706222332gb8178een2e6be50fad4bd8ee@mail.gmail.com> Very interesting post indeed. Why don't you put it to the forum - it might be more easy and appropriate to discuss it there. Regards, vazub From goboster at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 14:49:18 2007 From: goboster at yahoo.com (Hi There) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] /dev/dsp disappeared after upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <399762.69421.qm@web62110.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Michael Homer wrote: *snip* >> > switch over. KDE complained >> > about no /dev/dsp, and ALSA wasn't being used by the >> > Sound System (not even >> > listed) though the modules appeared to be loaded. Any >> > idea if there's some >> > config setting to make KDE recognize ALSA exists, and >> > force KDE to use it? >> It should pick it up automatically - if it doesn't, ALSA isn't >> enabled, isn't there, or isn't working. You may need to recompile ARTS >> if ALSA support wasn't enabled in it It's interesting that Amarok (using xine sound engine) plays just fine when manually set to go through ALSA. Modules all seem to be loaded. ALSA isn't listed as a manually selectable option under the KDE sound system control panel. Can't get mplayer & Amarok to play simultaneously (should they be able to do that without artsd running?) >If the GoboLinux recipe or package was used, alsa is >enabled (arts is >a sub-part of kde-libs). I definitely used the recipe or the package. I'm pretty sure it was the package. Anyone know if the signatures on the latest KDE packages are all valid? Thanks for all the input everyone! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Sat Jun 23 23:09:32 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:09:32 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] /dev/dsp disappeared after upgrade In-Reply-To: <399762.69421.qm@web62110.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <399762.69421.qm@web62110.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/24/07, Hi There wrote: > Michael Homer wrote: > *snip* > >> > switch over. KDE complained > >> > about no /dev/dsp, and ALSA wasn't being used by > the > >> > Sound System (not even > >> > listed) though the modules appeared to be loaded. > Any > >> > idea if there's some > >> > config setting to make KDE recognize ALSA exists, > and > >> > force KDE to use it? > >> It should pick it up automatically - if it doesn't, > ALSA isn't > >> enabled, isn't there, or isn't working. You may > need to recompile ARTS > >> if ALSA support wasn't enabled in it > > It's interesting that Amarok (using xine sound engine) > plays just fine when manually set to go through ALSA. > Modules all seem to be loaded. ALSA isn't listed as a > manually selectable option under the KDE sound system > control panel. Can't get mplayer & Amarok to play > simultaneously (should they be able to do that without > artsd running?) Through ALSA, yes. If they can't, they aren't using it. mplayer, at least, uses libao, which will fall back to other methods if one isn't available (configurable in /etc/libao.conf and ~/.libao). It may be actually using OSS - read the debugging screed it prints out. I don't know how xine audio behaves. I really can't understand why ALSA doesn't show up as an option if it's present; it should be automatically selected even. It is probably possible to set the configuration manually using kwriteconfig, but I don't know what the setting is so it's not much help. As a stopgap, I think going with OSS, arts, and artsdsp is your best bet. KDE 4.0 is meant to be much better-behaved regarding sound, and it's coming out in October. Better to have a working setup in the mean time than a pure one. > > >If the GoboLinux recipe or package was used, alsa is > >enabled (arts is > >a sub-part of kde-libs). > > I definitely used the recipe or the package. I'm > pretty sure it was the package. Anyone know if the > signatures on the latest KDE packages are all valid? Perhaps try compiling it again, keeping an eye on configure output for anything unusual. It will take an age to compile though, so you still might not want to do it. I'm thinking of a scenario in which it didn't find the libraries it wanted and so silently ignored it. Also have a look in /P/KDE-Libs/Current for arts-related files - I'm not sure how it organises things, but there are probably arts-oss, arts-alsa libraries there somewhere. You could ldd the alsa one and make sure that it's linked properly. -Michael From elists147 at orcon.net.nz Sun Jun 24 07:14:18 2007 From: elists147 at orcon.net.nz (Rex Teague) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:14:18 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] user-friendly Gobolinux In-Reply-To: <467B8F97.5070602@googlemail.com> References: <467B8F97.5070602@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <200706241914.18990.elists147@orcon.net.nz> Paul et al On Friday 22 June 2007 21:00, Paul Dann wrote: > Whilst searching for info on Listener I accidentally stumbled > across a > > post from "kenneth marken" in 2005: > > here is a blog or something that was posted on osnews the other > > day. while the first page is stock "whats wrong with linux" filler, > > the next couple of pages are interesting, mostly when he gets to > > talking about mounting /home as a database file system. > > > > http://akaimbatman.blogspot.com/2005/06/linux-desktop-distribution- > >of-future_15.html [...] I'm new here and hesitant to play, your carefully crafted post has elicited little response! Pity because the usability of Llinux on the desktop is a weakness that I would dearly like seeing addressed. After due consideration I went cold turkey on M$ Windows eighteen months ago and currently I'm using Mepis 6.5. Because of quibbles with Mepis I keep experimenting and I have tried GoBoLinux 014 - didn't get it running - and 013 - got it going after endless hassles but two unsuccessful attempts to add software meant I gave it away!! Too nerdy for me. Two promises of GoBoLinux particularly appeal, the simplified file system and the tarball software installation logic. I'm here to monitor progress and keenly barrack for an improved experience in say another twelve months. My background is Mechanical Engineering, designing and building machines - no programming experience except some elementary stuff whilst homeschooling with the kids. I have definite ideas on usability, Batman's paper rings true for me on several scores, I haven't fully absorbed his wider view. Before discussing some of his points and your post, I'll test the water here by forwarding a few posts I sent to the local LUG email list six months ago. The reception there was a nerdy zilch, what will it be here!? 8-)) Cheers... Rex (in New Zealand) From rubisher at scarlet.be Sun Jun 24 10:45:29 2007 From: rubisher at scarlet.be (rubisher) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:45:29 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to Start dsl connection at boot time? In-Reply-To: <51c95f840706091207j29bb09ber49331fdfcfd9916b@mail.gmail.com> References: <466AE75D.8000509@scarlet.be> <51c95f840706091207j29bb09ber49331fdfcfd9916b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <467E4B49.3040601@scarlet.be> Andy Feldman wrote: > There's three ways to enable a new type of network at boot... but some > are more "elegant" than others. > > The quick, basic way is to put all the steps you use to manually start > it into /System/Settings/BootScripts/BootUp. I don't know anything > about pppoe, Afaik you could see this pppoe as a ppp connection with a PSTN modem excepted that you replaced the serial cable by an ethernet cable. > but if you had to run cmd1, cmd2, and then cmd3, you > could add a line like this: > > Exec "Enabling PPPOE..." cmd1; cmd2; cmd3 > well as far as RP-PPPoE supplied kindly pppoe-start and pppoe-stop (amoung other kind stuff), I suppose that: Exec "Enabling PPPOE..." pppoe-start should work (not tested) > If the commands are very long and you don't want to string them > together on one line, write a script that has them all and then call > the script from the BootUp file just like the above. There is a > similar Shutdown file in the same BootScripts folder where you can put > any disconnection commands. > ;-) > One more elegant way is to take advantage of the Network framework > that already exists for DHCP/Static interfaces. If you add a function > to /System/Settings/NetworkOptions called [interface]_PreUp it will be > called before running ifconfig to bring the interface up. Similarly, > there are PostUp, PreDown, and PostDown functions you can use for any > steps that take place at those times. > > For example, I have a wifi connection secured with WPA2. Before I can > take the ath0 interface up with ifconfig and get my IP with DHCP, I > need to enable a supplicant program to handle the encryption. I have > the following stuff in NetworkOptions: > > ath0_BootProto=DHCP > NetworkInterfacesOnBoot=( > "lo" > "ath0" > ) > function ath0_PreUp() { > echo "Enabling WPA Supplicant, please wait..." > wpa_supplicant -i ath0 -c > /Users/nereusren/.wpa_supplicant/wpa2.conf -D wext -B > sleep 5s > } > > Alternatively, if PPPOE is too different from Static or DHCP or you > really want to make the "correct" solution, you could write a new > network Task to add PPPOE as a BootProto type. Have a look at > /System/Links/Tasks/DHCPNetworkInterface to see how it's done for > DHCP, and you should be able to figure out how to add one for PPPOE. > /S/L/T/Network automatically calls [BootProto]NetworkInterface for > whatever the BootProto is in NetworkOptions, so all you need to do is > add a PPPOENetworkInterface task. > Ok my PPPOENetworkInterface (in /S/L/T) looks like: #!/bin/sh # # PPPOE support for NetworkInterface # Intended to be called by the Network task, not directly by the user. PPPOE_START="/System/Links/Executables/pppoe-start" PPPOE_STOP="/System/Links/Executables/pppoe-stop" interface="$2" # For command-line convenience [ "$3" ] && DHCPTimeout="$3" [ "$DHCPTimeout" ] || DHCPTimeout=5 case "$1" in [Ss]tart) $PPPOE_START ;; [Ss]top) $PPPOE_STOP ;; esac === <> === and my /System/Settings/NetworkOptions NetworkInterfacesOnBoot=( lo eth0 eth1 ppp0 ) lo_IP=127.0.0.1 lo_Netmask=255.0.0.0 #eth0_BootProto=Static # DHCP (requires DHCPCD package), Static (default if empty) eth0_IP=10.0.0.10 eth0_Netmask=255.255.255.0 #eth0_Broadcast= #eth1_BootProto=Static # DHCP (requires DHCPCD package), Static (default if empty) eth1_IP=192.168.248.90 eth1_Netmask=255.255.255.0 #eth1_Broadcast= #Gateway=192.168.1.1 #GatewayInterface=eth0 ppp0_BootProto=PPPOE # DHCP (requires DHCPCD package), Static (default if empty) This working fine to me, i.e. for a private adsl connection to only one isp. I don't know if it could exist somewhere installation with 2 or more adsl conection with various isp for redundency or flow balancing? And so in such case how to start each? (that's why I let interface in case somebody would need it?) > If you do go this route you should consider adding the Task to the > RP-PPPoE recipe and submitting it (or just sending it to this list) so > others can take advantage of it. > I will check that when I will grag more knowledges on recipe. Tia for patience (I have less time to my Linux investigation then previous years :<( ) > Hope that helps, > -Andy > Andy thanks for help, r. > On 6/9/07, rubisher wrote: >> I haven't encounter any pb to configure my pppoe interface to my isp. >> >> I can easily start and stop it manualy but how should I started automaticaly at system boot? >> >> I try to have a look at wiki pages but I just find dhcp and static as BootProto, is there any other for dsl connection? > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > > From rubisher at scarlet.be Sun Jun 24 16:47:40 2007 From: rubisher at scarlet.be (rubisher) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:47:40 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to add an 'Open Office' menu in Kde Message-ID: <467EA02C.60304@scarlet.be> Hello all, As the install of OpenOffice from Livecd 013, I install a more recent release from a Gobolinux repository (all works fine). I presume that I can so launch all OO app from cmdl, but it would be nice to have a sub-menu in kde? Any tips to do this? Tia, r. From rubisher at scarlet.be Sun Jun 24 17:00:46 2007 From: rubisher at scarlet.be (rubisher) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:00:46 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Freshen: some more questions? Message-ID: <467EA33E.5070107@scarlet.be> Hello *, Some time when I freshen by hand some pakages I got following additional questions: [snip] 43 mod: Settings/fonts/fonts.conf [A]uto-merge/[V]iew/[U]se new/[S]kip/[L]ist/[M]erge and edit/[SA]Skip all What's the best way to work? (btw, imo it would very helpfull to add the opportunity to [V]iew a Diff?) Tia, r. From daniele.maccari at gmail.com Sun Jun 24 17:26:26 2007 From: daniele.maccari at gmail.com (mAcCo) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [gobolinux-users] gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1 References: Message-ID: demian florentin gmail.com> writes: > > Hello, i compiled kernel-2.6.21.1 but gobohide isn't working, when i run"gobohide -h " i get the following from the logger: Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 6884f452 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: printing eip:Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: c108e04dJun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: *pde = 00000000Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Oops: 0000 [#13]Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: PREEMPT SMP > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Modules linked in: ipv6 nvidia(P) joydev snd_via82xx snd_ac97_codec ac97_bus snd_mpu401_uart ns558 gameport snd_rawmidi nvidiafb i2c_algo_bit tsdev via82cxxx_audio uart401 sound i2c_viapro i2c_core ac97_codec via_ircc irda via_agp via_rhine mii shpchp pci_hotplug > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: CPU: 0Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: EIP: 0060:[] Tainted: P VLIJun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: EFLAGS: 00210206 (2.6.21.1-Gobo #1)Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: EIP is at gobolinux_translate_inode_nr+0x9/0xd > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: eax: 6884f432 ebx: e4fd4e40 ecx: 00001000 edx: c1713dc8Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: esi: c5c0b380 edi: 0000be21 ebp: 00000003 esp: d5ee1f6cJun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: ds: 007b es: 007b fs: 00d8 gs: 0033 ss: 0068 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Process gobohide (pid: 24971, ti=d5ee0000 task=cd5205e0 task.ti=d5ee0000)Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Stack: c108e2e5 00000000 00000000 da5d9540 bfb4a93c c106af54 df3c62b4 df3c6280 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: 00000000 da5d9540 bfb4a93c d5ee0000 c106b0ab bfb4a93c 00000000 00000003Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: bfb4c816 00000001 c1003e94 00000003 40040022 bfb4a93c bfb4c816 00000001 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Call Trace:Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: [] gobolinux_inode_add+0x5f/0xb6Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: [] vfs_ioctl+0x182/0x28dJun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: [] sys_ioctl+0x4c/0x65 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: [] syscall_call+0x7/0xbJun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: =======================Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: Code: 00 00 8b 44 24 10 e8 a3 fe 48 00 a1 80 f2 6f c1 89 da e8 f5 ed fc ff 83 c4 18 89 e8 5b 5e 5f 5d c3 90 8b 50 cc 8b 40 f8 8b 04 90 <8b> 40 20 c3 55 89 d5 57 56 89 c6 53 83 cb ff 85 c0 74 4a eb 10 > Jun 23 23:23:57 (none) kernel: EIP: [] gobolinux_translate_inode_nr+0x9/0xd SS:ESP 0068:d5ee1f6c greets. > > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > I was wrong, it's the same error. Here's my print: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 4f01f948 printing eip: c1081342 *pde = 00000000 Oops: 0000 [#13] PREEMPT Modules linked in: nls_iso8859_1 eth1394 pcmcia ohci1394 ieee1394 i2c_prosavage snd_via82xx snd_mpu401_uart snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device i2c_algo_bit snd_via82xx_modem snd_ac97_codec ac97_bus snd_pcm snd_timer i2c_core snd_page_alloc via_rhine yenta_socket rsrc_nonstatic pcmcia_core snd mii via_agp CPU: 0 EIP: 0060:[] Tainted: P VLI EFLAGS: 00010206 (2.6.21.1-Gobo #1) EIP is at gobolinux_translate_inode_nr+0x6/0xd eax: dc99fec8 ebx: dc9b64e0 ecx: 00001000 edx: dc99fea0 esi: dc46ddc0 edi: 0000bfa7 ebp: 00000003 esp: c7b37f64 ds: 007b es: 007b fs: 00d8 gs: 0033 ss: 0068 Process gobohide (pid: 13849, ti=c7b36000 task=ddd47a70 task.ti=c7b36000) Stack: c1081603 00000000 00000000 dc9b6bc0 bfb7493c c105eb5b 00000000 c7b37fb8 dc6eae14 dc6eade0 00000000 dc9b6bc0 bfb7493c c7b36000 c105ecaf bfb7493c 00000000 00000003 bfb76941 00000001 c1003c6e 00000003 40040022 bfb7493c Call Trace: [] gobolinux_inode_add+0x5f/0xc4 [] vfs_ioctl+0x171/0x279 [] sys_ioctl+0x4c/0x65 [] sysenter_past_esp+0x5f/0x85 ======================= Code: 5b 5e e9 04 24 fe ff 89 e0 25 00 e0 ff ff ff 48 14 8b 40 08 a8 08 74 07 5b 5e e9 6e 05 29 00 5b 5e c3 90 90 90 8b 50 d4 8b 40 f8 <8b> 04 90 8b 40 20 c3 55 89 d5 57 89 c7 56 83 ce ff 85 c0 53 74 EIP: [] gobolinux_translate_inode_nr+0x6/0xd SS:ESP 0068:c7b37f64 BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 4f01f948 printing eip: c1081342 *pde = 00000000 Oops: 0000 [#14] PREEMPT Modules linked in: nls_iso8859_1 eth1394 pcmcia ohci1394 ieee1394 i2c_prosavage snd_via82xx snd_mpu401_uart snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device i2c_algo_bit snd_via82xx_modem snd_ac97_codec ac97_bus snd_pcm snd_timer i2c_core snd_page_alloc via_rhine yenta_socket rsrc_nonstatic pcmcia_core snd mii via_agp CPU: 0 EIP: 0060:[] Tainted: P VLI EFLAGS: 00010206 (2.6.21.1-Gobo #1) EIP is at gobolinux_translate_inode_nr+0x6/0xd eax: dc99fec8 ebx: ca48d480 ecx: 00001000 edx: dc99fea0 esi: dc040920 edi: 0000bfa7 ebp: 00000003 esp: d1c2df64 ds: 007b es: 007b fs: 00d8 gs: 0033 ss: 0068 Process gobohide (pid: 13855, ti=d1c2c000 task=dc6c85c0 task.ti=d1c2c000) Stack: c1081603 00000000 00000000 ddd4b360 bff11e1c c105eb5b 00000000 d1c2dfb8 dc610c34 dc610c00 00000000 ddd4b360 bff11e1c d1c2c000 c105ecaf bff11e1c 00000000 00000003 bff13941 00000001 c1003c6e 00000003 40040022 bff11e1c Call Trace: [] gobolinux_inode_add+0x5f/0xc4 [] vfs_ioctl+0x171/0x279 [] sys_ioctl+0x4c/0x65 [] sysenter_past_esp+0x5f/0x85 ======================= Code: 5b 5e e9 04 24 fe ff 89 e0 25 00 e0 ff ff ff 48 14 8b 40 08 a8 08 74 07 5b 5e e9 6e 05 29 00 5b 5e c3 90 90 90 8b 50 d4 8b 40 f8 <8b> 04 90 8b 40 20 c3 55 89 d5 57 89 c7 56 83 ce ff 85 c0 53 74 EIP: [] gobolinux_translate_inode_nr+0x6/0xd SS:ESP 0068:d1c2df64 Bye From nereusren at gmail.com Sun Jun 24 18:25:56 2007 From: nereusren at gmail.com (Andy Feldman) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 13:25:56 -0500 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to add an 'Open Office' menu in Kde In-Reply-To: <467EA02C.60304@scarlet.be> References: <467EA02C.60304@scarlet.be> Message-ID: <51c95f840706241125n4ca14df1w61506e264242e2d4@mail.gmail.com> You can edit the K Menu by right-clicking on the menu icon and choosing "Menu Editor" (or "Unlock Panels" first if the panels are locked.) You can also run kmenuedit to get to the editor. From there you can create folders or entries to run whatever program you want. My menu already had entries for OO 1.1.4. To update them so they always pointed to the latest version, I changed the "Command" to refer to /P/OpenOffice/Current/[whatever] instead of /P/OpenOffice/1.1.4/[whatever]. On 6/24/07, rubisher wrote: > Hello all, > > As the install of OpenOffice from Livecd 013, I install a more recent release from a Gobolinux repository (all works fine). > > I presume that I can so launch all OO app from cmdl, but it would be nice to have a sub-menu in kde? > Any tips to do this? > > Tia, > r. > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > From elists147 at orcon.net.nz Sun Jun 24 21:28:18 2007 From: elists147 at orcon.net.nz (Rex Teague) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:28:18 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Multiple intelligences: Further clues to Linux uptake - 1. Message-ID: <200706250928.18256.elists147@orcon.net.nz> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Multiple intelligences: Further clues to Linux uptake - 1. Date: Friday 27 October 2006 15:46 From: Rex Teague To: linux-users at it.canterbury.ac.nz David Weinberger along with Doc Searls (senior editor at Linux Journal) and others, collaborated some years back on the book "Cluetrain Manifesto". http://www.cluetrain.com/ringleaders.html In a recent blog Weinberger explains his inability to orient himself in space, a deficiency in one of the "intelligences" Howard Gardner identified. http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/a_rubiks_cube_solution_that_fo.html As I pontificated the other day, until our diversities are respected by the Linux/FOSS geekdom, desktop adoption will be hampered. Viva la differences, more to come! Cheers... Rex ------------------------------------------------------- From elists147 at orcon.net.nz Sun Jun 24 21:24:00 2007 From: elists147 at orcon.net.nz (Rex Teague) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:24:00 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Multiple intelligences: Further clues to Linux uptake - Intro. Message-ID: <200706250924.00763.elists147@orcon.net.nz> Like Paul I'd like to see a thorough consideration of usability by GoBoLinux - to I'm sure its more widespread acceptance. The question asked on the local LUG was: "What are the hindrances to the uptake of Linux on the Desktop computer?" - in other words 'usability' for the less nerdy. In this and the following four posts, I'm forwarding my take on the CLI vs GUI divide, in relation to Howard Gardners "Multiple Intelligences" theory. Cheers... Rex ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: KDE Alternative Desktop use. Date: Tuesday 24 October 2006 13:04 From: Rex Teague To: linux-users at it.canterbury.ac.nz [...] So by a circuitous root we have got back to Vik's quest!! My computer experience began at the height of the DOS/Windows tension, after several misguided excursions (eg. GeoWorks and XTGold - both well done) I defied the local PCug DOS/CLI 'wisdom' and ran with Windows!! After customising the hell out of it (dumped Progman for Fileman as the shell, for instance) I had a system that served my mechanical engineering bent, very well, for many years. As a longtime home education parent Howard Gardner's 'Multiple Intelligences' theory is well canvassed within the HE fraternity. In the inaugural September 2006 edition of PCLinuxOS magazine, Derrick Devine managed a first for me by acknowledging the 'visual learner' in his 'mv elitism >> /dev/null' article. http://www.infed.org/thinkers/gardner.htm http://mag.mypclinuxos.com/ http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/90-mv-elitism-devnull.html Any use Vik? Bear in mind there is a gradient of 'visual learners' depending on what other intelligences impinge, which will account for the GNOME/KDE/WHATEVER preferences. I'm keenly interested in your conclusions, our Linux/FOSS advocacy has often been stonewalled and we are seriously asking the same question(s). Cheers... Rex ------------------------------------------------------- From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Sun Jun 24 22:31:48 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:31:48 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Freshen: some more questions? In-Reply-To: <467EA33E.5070107@scarlet.be> References: <467EA33E.5070107@scarlet.be> Message-ID: On 6/25/07, rubisher wrote: > Hello *, > > Some time when I freshen by hand some pakages I got following additional questions: > [snip] > 43 mod: Settings/fonts/fonts.conf > > [A]uto-merge/[V]iew/[U]se new/[S]kip/[L]ist/[M]erge and edit/[SA]Skip all > > What's the best way to work? That means that configuration file is different in the new version.You need to decide what needs to happen for that particular file - if you haven't changed that file, [U]se new is probably good here. [M] will present you a semi-diff so you can see the changes, and save the version you want -Michael From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Sun Jun 24 22:31:45 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:31:45 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/24/07, mAcCo wrote: > I was wrong, it's the same error. Here's my print: [...] > Call Trace: > [] gobolinux_inode_add+0x5f/0xc4 > [] vfs_ioctl+0x171/0x279 > [] sys_ioctl+0x4c/0x65 > [] sysenter_past_esp+0x5f/0x85 Under which conditions did it happen? In what filesystem was the directory that you tried to gobohide? Was it a standard ext2/ext3/reiser fs? -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Mon Jun 25 04:06:54 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:06:54 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1 In-Reply-To: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> On 6/24/07, Lucas C. Villa Real wrote: > On 6/24/07, mAcCo wrote: > > I was wrong, it's the same error. Here's my print: > [...] > > Call Trace: > > [] gobolinux_inode_add+0x5f/0xc4 > > [] vfs_ioctl+0x171/0x279 > > [] sys_ioctl+0x4c/0x65 > > [] sysenter_past_esp+0x5f/0x85 > > Under which conditions did it happen? In what filesystem was the > directory that you tried to gobohide? Was it a standard > ext2/ext3/reiser fs? Ok, I found the problem. I'll be providing a fix soon. Lucas From daniele.maccari at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 09:16:59 2007 From: daniele.maccari at gmail.com (mAcCo) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [gobolinux-users] gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1 References: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Lucas C. Villa Real gobolinux.org> writes: > > [cut] > > Ok, I found the problem. I'll be providing a fix soon. > > Lucas Thank you very much. Btw it was a standard ext3 fs. Bye. From pdgiddie at googlemail.com Mon Jun 25 10:25:27 2007 From: pdgiddie at googlemail.com (Paul Dann) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:25:27 +0100 Subject: [gobolinux-users] user-friendly Gobolinux In-Reply-To: <200706241914.18990.elists147@orcon.net.nz> References: <467B8F97.5070602@googlemail.com> <200706241914.18990.elists147@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <467F9817.4020101@googlemail.com> Hi Rex, Thanks for the reply; it's nice to know that someone else sees the need for some of these features :) It looks like there might not be much reaction on the mailing list, and I think it could get difficult to follow, so I started a topic on the forum. How about moving it there? http://forum.gobolinux.org/discussion/25 Paul Rex Teague wrote: > Paul et al > > On Friday 22 June 2007 21:00, Paul Dann wrote: > >> Whilst searching for info on Listener I accidentally stumbled >> across a >> >> post from "kenneth marken" in 2005: >> >>> here is a blog or something that was posted on osnews the other >>> day. while the first page is stock "whats wrong with linux" filler, >>> the next couple of pages are interesting, mostly when he gets to >>> talking about mounting /home as a database file system. >>> >>> http://akaimbatman.blogspot.com/2005/06/linux-desktop-distribution- >>> of-future_15.html >>> > [...] > > I'm new here and hesitant to play, your carefully crafted post has > elicited little response! Pity because the usability of Llinux on the > desktop is a weakness that I would dearly like seeing addressed. > > After due consideration I went cold turkey on M$ Windows eighteen months > ago and currently I'm using Mepis 6.5. Because of quibbles with Mepis I > keep experimenting and I have tried GoBoLinux 014 - didn't get it > running - and 013 - got it going after endless hassles but two > unsuccessful attempts to add software meant I gave it away!! Too nerdy > for me. > > Two promises of GoBoLinux particularly appeal, the simplified file > system and the tarball software installation logic. I'm here to monitor > progress and keenly barrack for an improved experience in say another > twelve months. > > My background is Mechanical Engineering, designing and building > machines - no programming experience except some elementary stuff > whilst homeschooling with the kids. I have definite ideas on usability, > > Batman's paper rings true for me on several scores, I haven't fully > absorbed his wider view. Before discussing some of his points and your > post, I'll test the water here by forwarding a few posts I sent to the > local LUG email list six months ago. The reception there was a nerdy > zilch, what will it be here!? 8-)) > > Cheers... Rex (in New Zealand) > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070625/88efaa19/attachment.htm From elists147 at orcon.net.nz Mon Jun 25 13:42:04 2007 From: elists147 at orcon.net.nz (Rex Teague) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:42:04 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Fwd: Multiple intelligences: Further clues to Linux uptake - 3. Message-ID: <200706260142.04599.elists147@orcon.net.nz> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Multiple intelligences: Further clues to Linux uptake - 3. Date: Tuesday 31 October 2006 09:45 From: Rex Teague To: linux-users at it.canterbury.ac.nz The Tech Savvy Educator has links to simple tests for accessing your Multiple Intelligence "smarts". Quoting the site: "I was reintroduced to the concept again this summer during our whole-staff in service based on brain research and differentiated instruction. The presenter gave us all a small quiz with a short quiz for each of the intelligences (nature, music, interpersonal, body, linguistic, etc.). Our homework the first night was to complete it and bring it back with us the next day so we could begin to see how each of us was ?smart? in different ways, but also to see how educators in our own field of expertise (science, technology, english, etc.) were "smart? as well. The presenter used this as a springboard for why differentiated instruction is so important; if everyone has different strengths, then we, as teachers, should strive to provide our learners with varied instruction that will at one point or another meet the different intelligences they possess. Which of course led many of us to the question, how could we go about finding out our students? intelligences as the worksheet we had been given was obviously tailored for adults." http://www.techsavvyed.net/?p=180 ------------------------------------------------------- From elists147 at orcon.net.nz Mon Jun 25 13:57:48 2007 From: elists147 at orcon.net.nz (Rex Teague) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:57:48 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Fwd: Multiple intelligences: Further clues to Linux uptake - 2 Message-ID: <200706260157.48299.elists147@orcon.net.nz> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Multiple intelligences: Further clues to Linux uptake - 2 Date: Monday 30 October 2006 14:20 From: Rex Teague To: linux-users at it.canterbury.ac.nz A quote from a Mandriva Club article "To GUI or Not to GUI, That is ... Illogical, Captain ..." "Hardly a day seems to go by when I don't encounter some pointless troll ranting on about why KDE users should switch to GNOME, why all of the available Linux GUIs are crap for Windoze-addicted zombies who need to become Real Men (read: "Real Geeks") and start using the command line for everything they do, and so on. As it happens, this all coincides with my own participation in a very hard online English teaching (TESOL) course. Part of this involves a look at different aspects of the psychology of learners and one particular aspect, which I had encountered previously and had not until now explored in any depth, was the different types of learner. "I'll explain. Some time ago, the author Howard Gardner published a list of learner types subsumed under his theory of "Multiple Intelligences", according to which people would learn best in an environment which was arranged to support their particular style of learning. Later, in Australia, Murray Loom produced a list of attributes which might be found in these people, and it makes interesting reading: ... " Read more at: http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/view/chromium/PsychologicalGUIPrefer ences ------------------------------------------------------- From elists147 at orcon.net.nz Mon Jun 25 13:42:50 2007 From: elists147 at orcon.net.nz (Rex Teague) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:42:50 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Fwd: Multiple intelligences: Further clues to Linux uptake - 4 (Final) Message-ID: <200706260142.50508.elists147@orcon.net.nz> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Multiple intelligences: Further clues to Linux uptake - 4 (Final) Date: Wednesday 01 November 2006 06:50 From: Rex Teague To: linux-users at it.canterbury.ac.nz Eric Raymond has joined the board at Linspire/Freespire motivated by the idea Linux on the deskstop has to jump into the 32 to 64 bit transition. His reckoning is; the transition will be done by 2008 and if Linux misses the bus it will be relegated to a _desktop_ minority. Since joining the board, Linspire has removed the entrance subscription to their "Click 'n Run" service. ESR empathises with Aunt Tillie - the archetypal nontechnical user. In his March 2006 essay "The Luxury of Ignorance: An Open-Source Horror Story" he is highly critical of his fellow geeks ie. predominantly linguistic learners! An excerpt: "I've just gone through the experience of trying to configure CUPS, the Common Unix Printing System. It has proved a textbook lesson in why nontechnical people run screaming from Unix. This is all the more frustrating because the developers of CUPS have obviously tried hard to produce an accessible system ? but the best intentions and effort have led to a system which despite its superficial pseudo-friendliness is so undiscoverable that it might as well have been written in ancient Sanskrit. "GUI tools and voluminous manuals are not enough. You have to think about what the actual user experiences when he or she sits down to do actual stuff, and you have to think about it from the user's point of view. The CUPS people, despite good intentions, have utterly failed at this. I'm going to anatomize this failure in detail, because there are lessons here that other open-source projects would do well to heed. The point of this essay is not, therefore, just to beat up on the CUPS people ? it's also to beat up on every other open-source designer who does equally thoughtless things under the fond delusion that a slick-looking UI is a well-designed UI. Watch and learn... " The whole saga is at http://catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html That's it folks, I trust I have made my point that one hat doesn't fit all with computing usability. After many years designing and building machines, the Howard Gardner's "Multiple Intelligences" theory nicely answers a vast array of usability questions. ------------------------------------------------------- From hisham.hm at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 16:18:07 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (hisham.hm at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:18:07 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] user-friendly Gobolinux In-Reply-To: <467B8F97.5070602@googlemail.com> References: <467B8F97.5070602@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <5e7d91620706250918u5087145dp26bd9c349b9e20a2@mail.gmail.com> On 6/22/07, Paul Dann wrote: > Hi all, > > Whilst searching for info on Listener I accidentally stumbled across a > post from "kenneth marken" in 2005: > > here is a blog or something that was posted on osnews the other day. > > while the first page is stock "whats wrong with linux" filler, the next > > couple of pages are interesting, mostly when he gets to talking about > > mounting /home as a database file system. > > > > > http://akaimbatman.blogspot.com/2005/06/linux-desktop-distribution-of-future_15.html > I was shocked to discover that there were no replies to this. This is > one of the most spot-on articles I've ever read on Linux usability in my > opinion. What's more, I think that a lot of what this guy is suggesting > could be implemented reasonably easily in Gobolinux, except for the new > database filesystem. I did exchange some emails with the article author back in the day. As you can see, the general problem of getting "user-friendliness" covers many layers of the system. Some of these layers are within the scope of our project, some are beyond. Still, there are many ways to obtain the desired end results -- one can add another layer on top giving a consistent look to how things are handled, or one can tweak things in the lower levels. To the end user, as long as "it's simple" to them, it makes no difference (hence the stance of many Gnome developers in abstracting away the FS at UI level, for example). We're focusing on consistency at filesystem hierarchy level right now -- and yes, for some things it would be probably even be better to go to an even lower level, at filesystem structure level. I have worked with FUSE for a while and I see a lot of potential. For a long while GoboLinux was very much a "research distro" in which we tried different approaches to things, breaking stuff along the way, but always improving its design in the long run. Now, we still maintain some (or maybe a lot?) of that, but at the same time, both users and developers like our current design enough so that we want to be able to use it efficiently, so getting it to "work" is becoming more and more a priority over research-oriented, conceptual tinkering. It's always a challenge to keep these two approaches in focus (even more when "getting a Linux distro to work" is a moving target, as evidenced by recent udev woes), but we try. -- Hisham ps: Congrats on your marriage. :) From demianflorentin at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 18:42:37 2007 From: demianflorentin at gmail.com (demian florentin) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:42:37 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Compile: Installation step failed. (Rootless) Message-ID: hello, i made a clean install for rootless installation with CreateRootlessEnvironment it compiles ok but when it tries to install it fails with "Compile: Installation step failed.", could it not be that it is trying to install on system tree and it doesn't have permissions? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070625/bb6efa5b/attachment.htm From mpb.mail at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 19:35:09 2007 From: mpb.mail at gmail.com (mpb) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:35:09 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Compile: Installation step failed. (Rootless) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/25/07, demian florentin wrote: > hello, i made a clean install for rootless installation with > CreateRootlessEnvironment it compiles ok but when it tries to install it > fails with "Compile: Installation step failed.", could it not be that it is > trying to install on system tree and it doesn't have permissions? What recipe are you trying to compile? What subdirectories already exist in ~/Programs? (In other words, what Programs are already installed, if any?) What distribution/version of Linux are you running? Does /bin/sh -> bash? -mpb From demianflorentin at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 20:15:41 2007 From: demianflorentin at gmail.com (demian florentin) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:15:41 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Compile: Installation step failed. (Rootless) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm using gobolinux-014-rc1 It fails every time i try to Compile something, everything installed under ~/Programs came from packages, so no Compilation made there. SandboxInstall: Postprocessing Sandbox SandboxInstall: Left over files: Compile: Installation step failed On 6/25/07, mpb wrote: > > On 6/25/07, demian florentin wrote: > > > hello, i made a clean install for rootless installation with > > CreateRootlessEnvironment it compiles ok but when it tries to install it > > fails with "Compile: Installation step failed.", could it not be that it > is > > trying to install on system tree and it doesn't have permissions? > > What recipe are you trying to compile? > > What subdirectories already exist in ~/Programs? (In other words, > what Programs are already installed, if any?) > > What distribution/version of Linux are you running? > > Does /bin/sh -> bash? > > -mpb > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070625/da8e1da3/attachment.htm From mpb.mail at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 20:41:21 2007 From: mpb.mail at gmail.com (mpb) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:41:21 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Compile: Installation step failed. (Rootless) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/25/07, demian florentin wrote: > I'm using gobolinux-014-rc1 > It fails every time i try to Compile something, everything installed under > ~/Programs came from packages, so no Compilation made there. Hopefully someone else can help you. I use Rootless extensively on top of Debian and the Ubuntus, but I don't use GoboLinux at all. Are you sourcing $HOME/Programs/Rootless/Current/bin/StartRootless in .bashrc/.zshrc? What does "echo $goboPrefix" print? (It should print out the directory in which you created the Rootless environment, which in my case is always the user's $HOME directory.) -mpb From demianflorentin at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 20:57:50 2007 From: demianflorentin at gmail.com (demian florentin) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:57:50 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Compile: Installation step failed. (Rootless) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: $goboPrefix and .bashrc/.zschrc are correct, otherwise it wouldn't even try to Compile or InstallPackage (as far as i understand), which i did. On 6/25/07, mpb wrote: > > On 6/25/07, demian florentin wrote: > > > I'm using gobolinux-014-rc1 > > It fails every time i try to Compile something, everything installed > under > > ~/Programs came from packages, so no Compilation made there. > > Hopefully someone else can help you. I use Rootless extensively on > top of Debian and the Ubuntus, but I don't use GoboLinux at all. > > Are you sourcing $HOME/Programs/Rootless/Current/bin/StartRootless in > .bashrc/.zshrc? > > What does "echo $goboPrefix" print? (It should print out the > directory in which you created the Rootless environment, which in my > case is always the user's $HOME directory.) > > -mpb > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070625/8f59aeef/attachment-0001.htm From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Mon Jun 25 21:54:00 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:54:00 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Compile: Installation step failed. (Rootless) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c03f9590706251454n142e4c53y88b8a918b7f375c2@mail.gmail.com> On 6/25/07, demian florentin wrote: > > I'm using gobolinux-014-rc1 > It fails every time i try to Compile something, everything installed under > ~/Programs came from packages, so no Compilation made there. > > SandboxInstall: Postprocessing Sandbox > SandboxInstall: Left over files: > > Compile: Installation step failed This is a bug in the recipe itself. It should be declaring which files are stored outside the program's entry in /Programs, but since it fails to do so, Compile doesn't allow them to be arbitrarily copied to the filesystem. Could you please tell us which recipe are you trying to Compile? Maybe the recipe author (or someone with some free time) can help you to fix the Recipe. -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From carlo at calica.com Mon Jun 25 22:00:34 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:00:34 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to Start dsl connection at boot time? In-Reply-To: <467E4B49.3040601@scarlet.be> References: <466AE75D.8000509@scarlet.be> <51c95f840706091207j29bb09ber49331fdfcfd9916b@mail.gmail.com> <467E4B49.3040601@scarlet.be> Message-ID: On 6/24/07, rubisher wrote: > Andy Feldman wrote: > > This working fine to me, i.e. for a private adsl connection to only one isp. > I don't know if it could exist somewhere installation with 2 or more adsl conection with various isp for redundency or flow > balancing? And so in such case how to start each? (that's why I let interface in case somebody would need it?) > Looks really good. General comment. The task looks like it assumes a single interface. You're passed the interface name via $2. You should use that and only start/stop the desired instance. > > If you do go this route you should consider adding the Task to the > > RP-PPPoE recipe and submitting it (or just sending it to this list) so > > others can take advantage of it. > > > I will check that when I will grag more knowledges on recipe. > Just put the task in the recipes Resources/Tasks. Just like /Programs. > Tia for patience (I have less time to my Linux investigation then previous years :<( ) > -- Carlo J. Calica From carlo at calica.com Mon Jun 25 22:06:57 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:06:57 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] user-friendly Gobolinux In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706250918u5087145dp26bd9c349b9e20a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <467B8F97.5070602@googlemail.com> <5e7d91620706250918u5087145dp26bd9c349b9e20a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/25/07, hisham.hm at gmail.com wrote: > On 6/22/07, Paul Dann wrote: > > We're focusing on consistency at filesystem hierarchy level right now -- and yes, for some things it would be probably even be better to go to an even lower level, at filesystem structure level. I have worked with FUSE for a while and I see a lot of potential. For a long while GoboLinux was very much a "research distro" in which we tried different approaches to things, breaking stuff along the way, but always improving its design in the long run. Now, we still maintain some (or maybe a lot?) of that, but at the same time, both users and developers like our current design enough so that we want to be able to use it efficiently, so getting it to "work" is becoming more and more a priority over research-oriented, conceptual tinkering. > > It's always a challenge to keep these two approaches in focus (even more when "getting a Linux distro to work" is a moving target, as evidenced by recent udev woes), but we try. > +1 > -- Hisham > > ps: Congrats on your marriage. :) > +2 -- Carlo J. Calica From hisham.hm at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 16:28:54 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (Hisham Muhammad) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:28:54 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper poll results Message-ID: <5e7d91620706260928g8f2634cs707f247913dcb14c@mail.gmail.com> Hi, The poll is now closed and the results are in! http://www.gobolinux.org/wallpaper_poll/ Congratulations to Molfar for his winning entry -- actually, for winning first, second and third places! :) The winning entry will be the default wallpaper for the GoboLinux Live CD. All contestants will be included in the /Files/Wallpapers of the CD. -- Hisham From jonka750 at student.liu.se Wed Jun 27 06:37:44 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:37:44 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Strange SignProgram tar error in simple recipe. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:27:16 +0200, mpb wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know what is causing the below error in the attached (very > simple) recipe? > I found the error and it origins from a bug in the SignProgram/Compile combination. When SignProgram was called from Compile and there existed a file with the exact same name in the source directory as the package had, SignProgram erroneously assumed that this file was a GoboLinux package and tried to unpack it. This bug is now fixed in the CVS. -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From molfar.ua at gmail.com Wed Jun 27 09:31:37 2007 From: molfar.ua at gmail.com (vazub) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:31:37 +0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Wallpaper poll results In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706260928g8f2634cs707f247913dcb14c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e7d91620706260928g8f2634cs707f247913dcb14c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49e748a90706270231y8f9ea69gfad7af08b9a6a8d3@mail.gmail.com> Thanks everyone! I feel honored. Hope you enjoy it :) vazub (aka molfar) On 6/26/07, Hisham Muhammad wrote: > Hi, > > The poll is now closed and the results are in! > http://www.gobolinux.org/wallpaper_poll/ > > Congratulations to Molfar for his winning entry -- actually, for > winning first, second and third places! :) > > The winning entry will be the default wallpaper for the GoboLinux Live > CD. All contestants will be included in the /Files/Wallpapers of the > CD. > > -- Hisham From k-marken at online.no Wed Jun 27 11:28:01 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (Kenneth Marken) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:28:01 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [gobolinux-users] messed up system :( Message-ID: <67609791.27291182943681632.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> i dont now how it happened but im looking at a /bin/sh error upon handover from kernel to init. something about it failing to load libtinfo.so.5 or something like that. so, any quickies on how to fix it? From jonka750 at student.liu.se Wed Jun 27 12:54:48 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:54:48 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] messed up system :( In-Reply-To: <67609791.27291182943681632.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> References: <67609791.27291182943681632.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> Message-ID: <76a336670706270554u5df407desf755d782adeb949d@mail.gmail.com> 2007/6/27, Kenneth Marken : > i dont now how it happened but im looking at a /bin/sh error upon handover from kernel to init. something about it failing to load libtinfo.so.5 or something like that. > > so, any quickies on how to fix it? > Not without more information. What's the exact error message? Does the error come from a broken path (possible some environment variable not set) or that the library isn't found due to some other error? libtinfo.so.5 is a part of ncurses, make sure that that application is installed and symlinked properly. -- /Jonas From lucasvr at gobolinux.org Wed Jun 27 14:53:01 2007 From: lucasvr at gobolinux.org (Lucas C. Villa Real) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:53:01 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] messed up system :( In-Reply-To: <76a336670706270554u5df407desf755d782adeb949d@mail.gmail.com> References: <67609791.27291182943681632.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> <76a336670706270554u5df407desf755d782adeb949d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c03f9590706270753i1568a0e6o3192d8db8a465324@mail.gmail.com> On 6/27/07, Jonas Karlsson wrote: > 2007/6/27, Kenneth Marken : > > i dont now how it happened but im looking at a /bin/sh error upon handover from kernel to init. something about it failing to load libtinfo.so.5 or something like that. > > > > so, any quickies on how to fix it? > > > Not without more information. What's the exact error message? Does the > error come from a broken path (possible some environment variable not > set) or that the library isn't found due to some other error? > > libtinfo.so.5 is a part of ncurses, make sure that that application is > installed and symlinked properly. ldconfig? -- Lucas powered by /dev/dsp From k-marken at online.no Wed Jun 27 20:15:07 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:15:07 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] messed up system :( In-Reply-To: <2c03f9590706270753i1568a0e6o3192d8db8a465324@mail.gmail.com> References: <67609791.27291182943681632.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> <76a336670706270554u5df407desf755d782adeb949d@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706270753i1568a0e6o3192d8db8a465324@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200706272215.07171.k-marken@online.no> On Wednesday 27 June 2007 16:53:01 Lucas C. Villa Real wrote: > On 6/27/07, Jonas Karlsson wrote: > > 2007/6/27, Kenneth Marken : > > > i dont now how it happened but im looking at a /bin/sh error upon > > > handover from kernel to init. something about it failing to load > > > libtinfo.so.5 or something like that. > > > > > > so, any quickies on how to fix it? > > > > Not without more information. What's the exact error message? Does the > > error come from a broken path (possible some environment variable not > > set) or that the library isn't found due to some other error? > > > > libtinfo.so.5 is a part of ncurses, make sure that that application is > > installed and symlinked properly. > > ldconfig? yep, i just had to get around to typing that big, nasty gobolinux livecd string... i had another livecd at hand, but it complained about a old kernel when i tried to chroot... now to get the gpu going. im a masochist so im going for ati... From hisham.hm at gmail.com Wed Jun 27 16:02:19 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (hisham.hm at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:02:19 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] messed up system :( In-Reply-To: <76a336670706270554u5df407desf755d782adeb949d@mail.gmail.com> References: <67609791.27291182943681632.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> <76a336670706270554u5df407desf755d782adeb949d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e7d91620706270902j538e44d4rae48902ce839131d@mail.gmail.com> On 6/27/07, Jonas Karlsson wrote: > 2007/6/27, Kenneth Marken : > > i dont now how it happened but im looking at a /bin/sh error upon handover > from kernel to init. something about it failing to load libtinfo.so.5 or > something like that. > > > > so, any quickies on how to fix it? Glibc is most likely broken. Which version of the distro did you have installed? What version(s) of Glibc and Scripts do you have installed? > Not without more information. What's the exact error message? Does the > error come from a broken path (possible some environment variable not > set) or that the library isn't found due to some other error? > > libtinfo.so.5 is a part of ncurses, make sure that that application is > installed and symlinked properly. libtinfo errors on boot are often symptoms of a broken Glibc because it is usually the first dynamic library loaded by the system (when init loads sh -> bash, which uses ncurses). -- Hisham From jonka750 at student.liu.se Wed Jun 27 16:05:56 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:05:56 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] messed up system :( In-Reply-To: <200706272215.07171.k-marken@online.no> References: <67609791.27291182943681632.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> <76a336670706270554u5df407desf755d782adeb949d@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706270753i1568a0e6o3192d8db8a465324@mail.gmail.com> <200706272215.07171.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <76a336670706270905x433d988fnde1b51aedd4dd758@mail.gmail.com> 2007/6/27, kenneth marken : > On Wednesday 27 June 2007 16:53:01 Lucas C. Villa Real wrote: > > On 6/27/07, Jonas Karlsson wrote: > > > 2007/6/27, Kenneth Marken : > > > > i dont now how it happened but im looking at a /bin/sh error upon > > > > handover from kernel to init. something about it failing to load > > > > libtinfo.so.5 or something like that. > > > > > > > > so, any quickies on how to fix it? > > > > > > Not without more information. What's the exact error message? Does the > > > error come from a broken path (possible some environment variable not > > > set) or that the library isn't found due to some other error? > > > > > > libtinfo.so.5 is a part of ncurses, make sure that that application is > > > installed and symlinked properly. > > > > ldconfig? > > yep, i just had to get around to typing that big, nasty gobolinux livecd > string... > > i had another livecd at hand, but it complained about a old kernel when i > tried to chroot... > > now to get the gpu going. im a masochist so im going for ati... Does this mean that your original problem is solved? -- /Jonas From demianflorentin at gmail.com Wed Jun 27 16:22:53 2007 From: demianflorentin at gmail.com (demian florentin) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:22:53 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Compile: Installation step failed. (Rootless) In-Reply-To: <2c03f9590706251454n142e4c53y88b8a918b7f375c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c03f9590706251454n142e4c53y88b8a918b7f375c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I just picked some recipes at random: bash, zsh, postgresql, kdevelop among them. And from what you are telling me not all Recipes could be compiled as rootless? and how do I configure those recipes to be "Rootless compliant". I have speciall interest on it because I'm building an application and i want to see if I can user gobolinux rootless installation to install dependencies needed by my app. On 6/25/07, Lucas C. Villa Real wrote: > > On 6/25/07, demian florentin wrote: > > > > I'm using gobolinux-014-rc1 > > It fails every time i try to Compile something, everything installed > under > > ~/Programs came from packages, so no Compilation made there. > > > > SandboxInstall: Postprocessing Sandbox > > SandboxInstall: Left over files: > > > > Compile: Installation step failed > > This is a bug in the recipe itself. It should be declaring which files > are stored outside the program's entry in /Programs, but since it > fails to do so, Compile doesn't allow them to be arbitrarily copied to > the filesystem. > > Could you please tell us which recipe are you trying to Compile? Maybe > the recipe author (or someone with some free time) can help you to fix > the Recipe. > > -- > Lucas > powered by /dev/dsp > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070627/fc04739b/attachment.htm From hisham.hm at gmail.com Wed Jun 27 16:29:19 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (hisham.hm at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:29:19 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Compile: Installation step failed. (Rootless) In-Reply-To: References: <2c03f9590706251454n142e4c53y88b8a918b7f375c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e7d91620706270929u57f87a25xea1351897a503c34@mail.gmail.com> On 6/27/07, demian florentin wrote: > I just picked some recipes at random: bash, zsh, postgresql, kdevelop among > them. And from what you are telling me not all Recipes could be compiled as > rootless? and how do I configure those recipes to be "Rootless compliant". I > have speciall interest on it because I'm building an application and i want > to see if I can user gobolinux rootless installation to install dependencies > needed by my app. Yes, not all recipes can be installed with Rootless -- mainly core system stuff like Glibc, things with kernel modules, etc. Things that are usual dependencies for a userland app should install. In particular, the ones you mentioned should all install okay, I believe. KDevelop may need environment variable tweaking if you want to use it on top of a systemwide installation of KDE (so that KDEDIRS uses both Rootless and system paths). I'm not familiar with the Postgres recipe, but it should work. -- Hisham > On 6/25/07, Lucas C. Villa Real wrote: > > > > On 6/25/07, demian florentin wrote: > > > > > > I'm using gobolinux-014-rc1 > > > It fails every time i try to Compile something, everything installed > > under > > > ~/Programs came from packages, so no Compilation made there. > > > > > > SandboxInstall: Postprocessing Sandbox > > > SandboxInstall: Left over files: > > > > > > Compile: Installation step failed > > > > This is a bug in the recipe itself. It should be declaring which files > > are stored outside the program's entry in /Programs, but since it > > fails to do so, Compile doesn't allow them to be arbitrarily copied to > > the filesystem. > > > > Could you please tell us which recipe are you trying to Compile? Maybe > > the recipe author (or someone with some free time) can help you to fix > > the Recipe. > > > > -- > > Lucas > > powered by /dev/dsp > > _______________________________________________ > > gobolinux-users mailing list > > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > > > From jonka750 at student.liu.se Wed Jun 27 17:02:38 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:02:38 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Compile: Installation step failed. (Rootless) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76a336670706271002g7579dd8cn2d0c11c390790860@mail.gmail.com> 2007/6/25, demian florentin : > > I'm using gobolinux-014-rc1 > It fails every time i try to Compile something, everything installed under > ~/Programs came from packages, so no Compilation made there. > > SandboxInstall: Postprocessing Sandbox > SandboxInstall: Left over files: > > Compile: Installation step failed > Are all files listed here, or just a few? What paths do these files show in? Can you try using FiboSandbox instead, by setting the environment variable UNIONSANDBOX="false"? If installation then dies, what is the error message and on what file? -- /Jonas From k-marken at online.no Thu Jun 28 06:35:31 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:35:31 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] kde-bluetooth recipie and xmms? Message-ID: <200706280835.31274.k-marken@online.no> yep, its me again. im sitting here trying to get kde's bluetooth support up and running and found that the recipie had a dependencie on xmms. im guessing thats not correct as i skipped it and found that things are compiling just fine. From mig at 1984.cz Thu Jun 28 11:33:15 2007 From: mig at 1984.cz (Jan =?utf-8?q?Moli=C4=8D?=) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:33:15 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file Message-ID: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> Hello, I've found problems when more programs provide same file and you remove one of them. I don't think there is a way how to easily find which program you should re-link. Solution would be to create alternative symlinks instead of overwriting them when do SymlinkProgram. Example: If programA, programB and programC provide Libraries/libfoo.so, these files would be created: Libraries/libfoo.so -> programA/lib/libfoo.so Libraries/.Alternative0--libfoo.so -> programB/lib/libfoo.so Libraries/.Alternative1--libfoo.so -> programC/lib/libfoo.so Then you remove programA. Instead of RemoveBroken there would be something like RepairAndRemoveBroken, which firstly find broken symlinks, then try to rename a non-broken alternative to name of the broken symlink and only if no alternative exist, remove the broken symlink. (of course not only libraries, but any collision may be done this way) Jan From isaacdupree at charter.net Thu Jun 28 20:08:25 2007 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:08:25 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] messed up system :( In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706270902j538e44d4rae48902ce839131d@mail.gmail.com> References: <67609791.27291182943681632.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> <76a336670706270554u5df407desf755d782adeb949d@mail.gmail.com> <5e7d91620706270902j538e44d4rae48902ce839131d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46841539.8040908@charter.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hisham.hm at gmail.com wrote: > On 6/27/07, Jonas Karlsson wrote: >> 2007/6/27, Kenneth Marken : >>> i dont now how it happened but im looking at a /bin/sh error upon handover >> from kernel to init. something about it failing to load libtinfo.so.5 or >> something like that. >>> so, any quickies on how to fix it? > libtinfo errors on boot are often symptoms of a broken Glibc because > it is usually the first dynamic library loaded by the system (when > init loads sh -> bash, which uses ncurses). Or a broken /etc/ld.so.cache , which is fixed by running ldconfig. This happened to me too. I was using Freshen to update Xorg via Compile, it asked me what to do with /etc/ld.so.cache, which was described as updated settings. I said to use new, Xorg compile went on for a while and then got interrupted by accident (similar to if I had pressed control-C, I think). Freshen (or some process called by it) then went and updated all the settings (I think it said it was doing that, anyway). Afterwards, my /etc/ld.so.cache was an empty file, so everything (dynamic) was broken until I managed to run ldconfig. Isaac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGhBU4HgcxvIWYTTURAmLyAJ4kj1FMTBQzomlnga85f/C3opGSEQCeOtsQ CLZGBMKYClfDC1BpjQSdt9o= =22MM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From isaacdupree at charter.net Thu Jun 28 21:11:40 2007 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:11:40 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1 In-Reply-To: <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4684240C.7020803@charter.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lucas C. Villa Real wrote: > Ok, I found the problem. I'll be providing a fix soon. Thank you! (/me also on a ext3 fs, and NewVersion Linux 2.6.21.5 worked fine except for the GoboHide problem) Isaac P.S. is the vesafb-tng patch in Linux recipe important? It's for 2.6.20 and according to http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/vesafb-tng/ , discontinued by the developer(s) in favor of uvesafb (which needs initramfs/initrd, in order to do the same thing during early booting). Me (and another person also on Mactel) removed the patch to remove variables , and linux 2.6.21 worked better afterwards (probably after some other random changes too, so who knows; it could be tested more scientifically...). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGhCQMHgcxvIWYTTURAqnFAJ0ahd58D91yvpRfNUIO6h8unEpyOQCgvnzx a3sS/RQ+SpINKBqEPvT7ih0= =8XTL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From isaacdupree at charter.net Thu Jun 28 21:31:06 2007 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:31:06 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Rationales for patches in recipes? (was: Re: gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1) In-Reply-To: <4684240C.7020803@charter.net> References: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> <4684240C.7020803@charter.net> Message-ID: <4684289A.4000606@charter.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Isaac Dupree wrote: > P.S. is the vesafb-tng patch in Linux recipe important?... It would be nice if there were a standard way to document the rationale for adding each patch (beyond the filename of the patch), maybe a source URL, which might have updates, or point to somewhere on the GoboLinux wiki etc... so questions like this are easier for anyone to answer. For example there are a few other patches on Linux... and while I personally have a fairly good idea why gobohide (important for gobo filesystem appearance feature), unionfs (used for some compiles and generally quite good) and squashfs (used by livecd's, and also generally quite good), I don't have any idea about the utf8 patch either (looking in it, the diff was made on some 2.6.20 and I can't tell what the point of the several code changes are). Isaac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGhCiZHgcxvIWYTTURArnEAKC1bdv3LWMOdLsBQiLRU1OHrMMR1QCdHjyC hrm0TUvdPWq5m8OICzQ4Od4= =Lb8d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From k-marken at online.no Thu Jun 28 21:32:07 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (Kenneth Marken) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:32:07 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [gobolinux-users] messed up system :( In-Reply-To: <46841539.8040908@charter.net> References: <67609791.27291182943681632.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> <76a336670706270554u5df407desf755d782adeb949d@mail.gmail.com> <5e7d91620706270902j538e44d4rae48902ce839131d@mail.gmail.com> <46841539.8040908@charter.net> Message-ID: <79860491.423491183066327409.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice10.nsc.no> > From: Isaac Dupree [isaacdupree at charter.net] > hisham.hm at gmail.com wrote: > > On 6/27/07, Jonas Karlsson wrote: > >> 2007/6/27, Kenneth Marken : > >>> i dont now how it happened but im looking at a /bin/sh error upon handover > >> from kernel to init. something about it failing to load libtinfo.so.5 or > >> something like that. > >>> so, any quickies on how to fix it? > > > > libtinfo errors on boot are often symptoms of a broken Glibc because > > it is usually the first dynamic library loaded by the system (when > > init loads sh -> bash, which uses ncurses). > > Or a broken /etc/ld.so.cache , which is fixed by running ldconfig. This > happened to me too. I was using Freshen to update Xorg via Compile, it > asked me what to do with /etc/ld.so.cache, which was described as > updated settings. I said to use new, Xorg compile went on for a while > and then got interrupted by accident (similar to if I had pressed > control-C, I think). Freshen (or some process called by it) then went > and updated all the settings (I think it said it was doing that, > anyway). Afterwards, my /etc/ld.so.cache was an empty file, so > everything (dynamic) was broken until I managed to run ldconfig. > im guessing its the latter that happened to me. but as i think someone asked, the problem is solved now. it was mostly a case of finding out what could be wrong and then finding the right tool for the job. and thats what i love about linux, no problem is left without a potential fix. From mjr at phonecoop.coop Thu Jun 28 23:54:41 2007 From: mjr at phonecoop.coop (MJ Ray) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:54:41 +0100 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Rationales for patches in recipes? (was: Re: gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1) In-Reply-To: <4684289A.4000606@charter.net> References: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> <4684240C.7020803@charter.net> <4684289A.4000606@charter.net> Message-ID: <46844a41.XaaKdgcbdic6HZWo%mjr@phonecoop.coop> Isaac Dupree wrote: > It would be nice if there were a standard way to document the rationale > for adding each patch (beyond the filename of the patch) [...] man patch says "patch tries to skip any leading garbage," so we could just write it above the patch header... I'll try it next time I patch. Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ From mig at 1984.cz Fri Jun 29 00:38:10 2007 From: mig at 1984.cz (Jan =?utf-8?q?Moli=C4=8D?=) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:38:10 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Program dependency registering among each other Message-ID: <200706290238.10409.mig@1984.cz> Hello, sometimes when you install new library and then remove old, some programs don't start, because depend on the old library. If it happen to programs like KDE, it's very confusing to find out which library cause problems, especially if you upgrade more libraries at once. My solution would be to register each program to another's Resources/UsedBy. For example if we have four versions of libA, libA/1.0 libA/2.0 libA/3.0 libA/4.0 then install programB/1.1 which depends on libA >= 2.0 and libA <= 3.0, programB will be symlinked to libA/2.0/Resources/UsedBy/programB--1.1 libA/3.0/Resources/UsedBy/programB--1.1 If you want to remove libA/2.0, RemoveProgram firstly check which program depends on libA/2.0. If it found another version covering programB/1.1 dependency, libA would be removed. Otherwise RemoveProgram would complain. If you remove programB/1.1, the UsedBy link will break and will be considered as not there. Jan From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 01:17:08 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:17:08 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> Message-ID: On 6/28/07, Jan Moli? wrote: > Hello, > > Libraries/libfoo.so -> programA/lib/libfoo.so > Libraries/.Alternative0--libfoo.so -> programB/lib/libfoo.so > Libraries/.Alternative1--libfoo.so -> programC/lib/libfoo.so > > Then you remove programA. Instead of RemoveBroken there would be something > like RepairAndRemoveBroken, which firstly find broken symlinks, then try to > rename a non-broken alternative to name of the broken symlink and only if no > alternative exist, remove the broken symlink. > > (of course not only libraries, but any collision may be done this way) > Having this type of info easily available is a good idea. I'm not sure creating a bunch of dot files is the way to go though. Maybe mirroring /S/Links/* into /S/Links/Alternate and then LIbraries/0--libfoo.so. The goal is to avoid hidden files. A compromise would be /S/L/Libraries/.Alternate (hidden dir) with visible 0--libfoo.so? Anyone else? -- Carlo J. Calica From mpb.mail at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 01:24:19 2007 From: mpb.mail at gmail.com (mpb) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:24:19 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> Message-ID: > On 6/28/07, Jan Moli? wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Libraries/libfoo.so -> programA/lib/libfoo.so > > Libraries/.Alternative0--libfoo.so -> programB/lib/libfoo.so > > Libraries/.Alternative1--libfoo.so -> programC/lib/libfoo.so > > > > Then you remove programA. Instead of RemoveBroken there would be something > > like RepairAndRemoveBroken, which firstly find broken symlinks, then try to > > rename a non-broken alternative to name of the broken symlink and only if no > > alternative exist, remove the broken symlink. > > > > (of course not only libraries, but any collision may be done this way) On 6/28/07, Carlo Calica wrote: > Having this type of info easily available is a good idea. I'm not > sure creating a bunch of dot files is the way to go though. Maybe > mirroring /S/Links/* into /S/Links/Alternate and then > LIbraries/0--libfoo.so. > > The goal is to avoid hidden files. A compromise would be > /S/L/Libraries/.Alternate (hidden dir) with visible 0--libfoo.so? > Anyone else? Perhaps one file - a master list of conflicts, plus some kind of Script that could analyze the master list and print out various types of information and summaries. -mpb From hisham.hm at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 04:09:45 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (hisham.hm at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:09:45 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> Message-ID: <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> On 6/28/07, mpb wrote: > > On 6/28/07, Jan Moli? wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > Libraries/libfoo.so -> programA/lib/libfoo.so > > > Libraries/.Alternative0--libfoo.so -> programB/lib/libfoo.so > > > Libraries/.Alternative1--libfoo.so -> programC/lib/libfoo.so > > > > > > Then you remove programA. Instead of RemoveBroken there would be > something > > > like RepairAndRemoveBroken, which firstly find broken symlinks, then try > to > > > rename a non-broken alternative to name of the broken symlink and only > if no > > > alternative exist, remove the broken symlink. > > > > > > (of course not only libraries, but any collision may be done this way) A very promising idea! Definitely worth trying out. > On 6/28/07, Carlo Calica wrote: > > Having this type of info easily available is a good idea. I'm not > > sure creating a bunch of dot files is the way to go though. Maybe > > mirroring /S/Links/* into /S/Links/Alternate and then > > LIbraries/0--libfoo.so. > > > > The goal is to avoid hidden files. A compromise would be > > /S/L/Libraries/.Alternate (hidden dir) with visible 0--libfoo.so? > > Anyone else? I probably wouldn't mind the dot-files in this case. For this kind of thing, it would be better to keep it away from view. From your proposals, I like /S/L/L/.A better, but that would create more directories in subdirs. Keeping the dot-files beside the "current" symlink sounds conceptually simpler for me. > Perhaps one file - a master list of conflicts, plus some kind of > Script that could analyze the master list and print out various types > of information and summaries. Ah, the eternal temptation of using a database (even if flat-file based) and a script to keep it in sync. Always good on paper. But the pure fs approach is much much cleaner: you instantly see when the main or alternate links are broken, the symlink shows which app they point to, plus you get various types of information and summaries using regular Unix tools. -- Hisham From hisham.hm at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 04:12:02 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (hisham.hm at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:12:02 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Rationales for patches in recipes? (was: Re: gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1) In-Reply-To: <46844a41.XaaKdgcbdic6HZWo%mjr@phonecoop.coop> References: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> <4684240C.7020803@charter.net> <4684289A.4000606@charter.net> <46844a41.XaaKdgcbdic6HZWo%mjr@phonecoop.coop> Message-ID: <5e7d91620706282112h5d7c6bcbo87be2efcb7b5e11e@mail.gmail.com> On 6/28/07, MJ Ray wrote: > Isaac Dupree wrote: > > It would be nice if there were a standard way to document the rationale > > for adding each patch (beyond the filename of the patch) [...] > > man patch says "patch tries to skip any leading garbage," so we could > just write it above the patch header... I'll try it next time I patch. Yes, I've done this a few times (you may find it in some recipes), it's a great way to document a patch. -- Hisham From hisham.hm at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 04:26:05 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (hisham.hm at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:26:05 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Program dependency registering among each other In-Reply-To: <200706290238.10409.mig@1984.cz> References: <200706290238.10409.mig@1984.cz> Message-ID: <5e7d91620706282126j1c029414k8e27d562c02c50b0@mail.gmail.com> On 6/28/07, Jan Moli? wrote: > Hello, > > sometimes when you install new library and then remove old, some programs > don't start, because depend on the old library. > > If it happen to programs like KDE, it's very confusing to find out which > library cause problems, especially if you upgrade more libraries at once. > > My solution would be to register each program to another's Resources/UsedBy. > For example if we have four versions of libA, > > libA/1.0 > libA/2.0 > libA/3.0 > libA/4.0 > > then install programB/1.1 which depends on libA >= 2.0 and libA <= 3.0, > programB will be symlinked to > > libA/2.0/Resources/UsedBy/programB--1.1 > libA/3.0/Resources/UsedBy/programB--1.1 > > If you want to remove libA/2.0, RemoveProgram firstly check which program > depends on libA/2.0. If it found another version covering programB/1.1 > dependency, libA would be removed. Otherwise RemoveProgram would complain. > If > you remove programB/1.1, the UsedBy link will break and will be considered > as > not there. The same could be achieved by doing a global check on all dependency files. Which is something we'd prefer to avoid, of course. So, let's think if the approach you propose eliminates the need of doing a global check on dependencies: The first problematic point I see is: "RemoveProgram firstly check which program depends on libA/2.0". Looking just at the UsedBy directory would work, but part of the scheme depends that every satisfying dependency should have a UsedBy symlink, like libA/2.0 and libA/3.0 have. The problem is, what if libA/2.0 was installed _after_ programB/1.1 was installed? It can be UsedBy programB/1.1, but how will this be registered? One way would be to do a global check on all dependency files, but that is what the whole UsedBy scheme intends to avoid, I believe. An optimization over that would be to look at UsedBy entries of other versions of libA that are already installed, check the dependency files of programs mentioned there (like programB/1.1 in libA/3.0) and only check those, to see if the range they describe are valid. This however, assumes that the all dependencies are properly satisfied by the time something is installed, which is often not the case. The overall idea that there should be a reverse check available for when removing programs is good. But an efficient implementation is something to be thought about carefully. -- Hisham From isaacdupree at charter.net Fri Jun 29 11:07:56 2007 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:07:56 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4684E80C.3070508@charter.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hisham.hm at gmail.com wrote: > On 6/28/07, mpb wrote: >>> On 6/28/07, Jan Moli? wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Libraries/libfoo.so -> programA/lib/libfoo.so >>>> Libraries/.Alternative0--libfoo.so -> programB/lib/libfoo.so >>>> Libraries/.Alternative1--libfoo.so -> programC/lib/libfoo.so If we keep all the "other" alternatives away in hidden files, how about the active one as well (e.g. .Alternative0... -> programA/..., .Alternative1 -> programB/, .Alternative2 -> programC/)? What about when I manually link /System/Executables/sh to /Programs/Dash/.../dash, overwriting the link to bash? Or is such a "full listing" too easy to become inconsistent?(hmm, no more likely that the all-but-one listing is likely to, I guess, if manual changes to the real symlink don't matter) Isaac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGhOgLHgcxvIWYTTURAjGtAJ4naIHBtSC1lYM0o9hurlpfSMU5PQCfWU65 mVoTpArlq1/2YUgkttCbrr4= =4Cxa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From isaacdupree at charter.net Fri Jun 29 14:17:37 2007 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:17:37 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Freshen 2.2.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46851481.2030703@charter.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael Homer wrote: > Hi, > I've released Freshen 2.2.4, with a couple of requested fixes and an > overhaul of the version algorithms. Key changes: > - Version comparisons handle special cases better: in particular, > MPlayer & Util-Linux now work as they should (1.0.0pre8<1.0.0rc3, and > 2.12r>2.12-r1), and there are a few flow-on effects in other corners > that were less obvious Unfortunately... Although the Util-Linux situation was improved, HAL (which isn't currently installed, but to-be-installed due to KDE-Base) depends on Util-Linux >= 2.12r. Freshen wants to downgrade(good recognizing that it's a downgrade) 2.12r-r3 to 2.12q-r1 because of HAL -- but HAL requires a later version in its Dependencies!!!! And Freshen still incorrectly thinks CDRTools 2.01a31-r1 is newer than 2.01.01a27 (or 2.01.01a23 or any other existing 2.01.01a#), the latter of which I have installed. Isaac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGhRSAHgcxvIWYTTURApf/AJ9/7RKj78yjA5gx+A95noXQgXuEZgCfSqy+ /6ds+qPh6gLc31efM78RQK4= =vCfs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From isaacdupree at charter.net Fri Jun 29 14:29:50 2007 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:29:50 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Freshen 2.2.4 In-Reply-To: <46851481.2030703@charter.net> References: <46851481.2030703@charter.net> Message-ID: <4685175E.5070200@charter.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Isaac Dupree wrote: > Michael Homer wrote: >> Hi, >> I've released Freshen 2.2.4, with a couple of requested fixes and an >> overhaul of the version algorithms. Key changes: > Unfortunately... P.S. I forgot to ask: is there somewhere else to report Freshen bugs than the mailing list? Isaac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGhRdeHgcxvIWYTTURAjBkAJ4txEooRgbpuSaDXWnVHykCnN/ZwACdH2O9 JyLQwEWSbT7cU/GUIEzYR4Q= =dVSL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 17:28:07 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:28:07 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] weird network behaviour Message-ID: <200706291928.07702.k-marken@online.no> from one problem to the next. i have a problem with the networking. each time i modprobe in the driver the network card have gotten a higher eth number... right now it has eth20, and there are no eth cards between that and eth0 (that i suspect is networking over firewire or something). any ideas about whats going on? its a realtek card, or more correctly a onboard chip, using the r8169 driver. From baelog01 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 29 17:43:36 2007 From: baelog01 at yahoo.com (Patrick Smith) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gobolinux-users] ALSA doesn't work Message-ID: <845151.1806.qm@web58813.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi, I have an audio problem with GoboLinux 013. I read through the mail list and it seems that sound is a perpetual problem with GoboLinux and yet the wiki has nothing on how to fix sound problems. I think sound problems certainly deserve some attention. Anyway, my problem is that ALSA doesn't recognize my soundcard. Since ALSA doesn't work most other things that depend on it (arts, Noatun, ...) don't work either. I added the proper module (snd-via82xx) in the boot settings and that doesn't help. I should point out that KDE does work with OSS, MPlayer also works. I don't remember if this worked before I added the module. Here are the relevant details: - the card is an integrated VIA 82xx - during bootup ALSA reports: "No soundcard found" - lspci does list the card - /dev/dsp does exist - arts pops up with a "sound server error" if KDE is set to use ALSA - arts generally doesn't work - alsaconf reports an error, something like "cannot find default: no such card" So how do I fix this? Thanks in advance. Baelog --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070629/60c7aad1/attachment.htm From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 18:40:53 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:40:53 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] ALSA doesn't work In-Reply-To: <845151.1806.qm@web58813.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <845151.1806.qm@web58813.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200706292040.53037.k-marken@online.no> On Friday 29 June 2007 19:43:36 Patrick Smith wrote: > Hi, I have an audio problem with GoboLinux 013. > > I read through the mail list and it seems that sound is a perpetual problem > with GoboLinux and yet the wiki has nothing on how to fix sound problems. I > think sound problems certainly deserve some attention. > > Anyway, my problem is that ALSA doesn't recognize my soundcard. Since ALSA > doesn't work most other things that depend on it (arts, Noatun, ...) don't > work either. I added the proper module (snd-via82xx) in the boot settings > and that doesn't help. > > I should point out that KDE does work with OSS, MPlayer also works. I don't > remember if this worked before I added the module. > > Here are the relevant details: > - the card is an integrated VIA 82xx > - during bootup ALSA reports: "No soundcard found" > - lspci does list the card > - /dev/dsp does exist > - arts pops up with a "sound server error" if KDE is set to use ALSA > - arts generally doesn't work > - alsaconf reports an error, something like "cannot find default: no such > card" > > So how do I fix this? > dont know, all i can say is that i have a similar problem here. the interesting bit is that alsamixer can still be used. also, im sure my card worked when booting from 013 the first time round, but after doing some updating it broke. dont know when. From demianflorentin at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 18:55:08 2007 From: demianflorentin at gmail.com (demian florentin) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:55:08 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] ALSA doesn't work In-Reply-To: <200706292040.53037.k-marken@online.no> References: <845151.1806.qm@web58813.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <200706292040.53037.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: Hello Patrick, i also use via82xx and i had a similar problem, I disabled all OSS kernel support and alsa started working, I hope it helps. On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > > On Friday 29 June 2007 19:43:36 Patrick Smith wrote: > > Hi, I have an audio problem with GoboLinux 013. > > > > I read through the mail list and it seems that sound is a perpetual > problem > > with GoboLinux and yet the wiki has nothing on how to fix sound > problems. I > > think sound problems certainly deserve some attention. > > > > Anyway, my problem is that ALSA doesn't recognize my soundcard. Since > ALSA > > doesn't work most other things that depend on it (arts, Noatun, ...) > don't > > work either. I added the proper module (snd-via82xx) in the boot > settings > > and that doesn't help. > > > > I should point out that KDE does work with OSS, MPlayer also works. I > don't > > remember if this worked before I added the module. > > > > Here are the relevant details: > > - the card is an integrated VIA 82xx > > - during bootup ALSA reports: "No soundcard found" > > - lspci does list the card > > - /dev/dsp does exist > > - arts pops up with a "sound server error" if KDE is set to use ALSA > > - arts generally doesn't work > > - alsaconf reports an error, something like "cannot find default: no > such > > card" > > > > So how do I fix this? > > > > dont know, all i can say is that i have a similar problem here. the > interesting bit is that alsamixer can still be used. > > also, im sure my card worked when booting from 013 the first time round, > but > after doing some updating it broke. dont know when. > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gobolinux.org/pipermail/gobolinux-users/attachments/20070629/e5d8651e/attachment.htm From mjr at phonecoop.coop Fri Jun 29 18:56:39 2007 From: mjr at phonecoop.coop (MJ Ray) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:56:39 +0100 Subject: [gobolinux-users] ALSA doesn't work In-Reply-To: <845151.1806.qm@web58813.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <845151.1806.qm@web58813.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468555e7.diWIhmyb2Nx/zCi2%mjr@phonecoop.coop> Patrick Smith wrote: > I read through the mail list and it seems that sound is a perpetual > problem with GoboLinux and yet the wiki has nothing on how to fix > sound problems. I think sound problems certainly deserve some > attention. I've not noticed that, but I'll take your word for it. I have a snd-ali5451 and a snd-usb-audio both working fine, with mixing and so on. However, I don't use KDE. I added a line Exec "Restoring Sound" alsactl restore to /System/Settings/BootScripts/Graphic and I think that's all. [...] > - the card is an integrated VIA 82xx > - during bootup ALSA reports: "No soundcard found" > - lspci does list the card > - /dev/dsp does exist > - arts pops up with a "sound server error" if KDE is set to use ALSA > - arts generally doesn't work > - alsaconf reports an error, something like "cannot find default: no such card" > > So how do I fix this? Does lsmod show the right snd modules? If not, can you modprobe snd-via82xx OK? What is in the file /proc/asound/cards? I'm puzzled by the /dev/dsp report. It shouldn't exist without ALSA. Does dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/dsp count=2 produce noise? What is ls -l /dev/dsp (and ls -l $(readlink /dev/dsp) too)? I'm not sure I've ever used alsaconf. Does it work for anyone? Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ From demianflorentin at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 19:22:04 2007 From: demianflorentin at gmail.com (demian florentin) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:04 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] weird network behaviour In-Reply-To: <200706291928.07702.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706291928.07702.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: I guess your mac address is also constantly changing, therefore ethN also changes, if that's the case you should make an udev rule telling udev to keep a mac address for that card. I've never done it in gobolinux but i assume you should add a rule to /System/Settings/udev/rules.d. this link might help: http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > > from one problem to the next. i have a problem with the networking. > each time i modprobe in the driver the network card have gotten a higher > eth > number... > > right now it has eth20, and there are no eth cards between that and eth0 > (that > i suspect is networking over firewire or something). > > any ideas about whats going on? its a realtek card, or more correctly a > onboard chip, using the r8169 driver. > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 19:23:40 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:23:40 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] weird network behaviour In-Reply-To: References: <200706291928.07702.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <200706292123.40742.k-marken@online.no> On Friday 29 June 2007 21:22:04 demian florentin wrote: > I guess your mac address is also constantly changing, therefore ethN also > changes, if that's the case you should make an udev rule telling udev to > keep a mac address for that card. > I've never done it in gobolinux but i assume you should add a rule to > /System/Settings/udev/rules.d. > this link might help: > http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html > hmm, weird that i should keep changing... ill have to look into it, thanks. i just didnt expect it to be issued a new eth each time. > On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > > from one problem to the next. i have a problem with the networking. > > each time i modprobe in the driver the network card have gotten a higher > > eth > > number... > > > > right now it has eth20, and there are no eth cards between that and eth0 > > (that > > i suspect is networking over firewire or something). > > > > any ideas about whats going on? its a realtek card, or more correctly a > > onboard chip, using the r8169 driver. > > _______________________________________________ > > gobolinux-users mailing list > > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 19:53:46 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:53:46 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] weird network behaviour In-Reply-To: <200706292123.40742.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706291928.07702.k-marken@online.no> <200706292123.40742.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <200706292153.46424.k-marken@online.no> On Friday 29 June 2007 21:23:40 kenneth marken wrote: > On Friday 29 June 2007 21:22:04 demian florentin wrote: > > I guess your mac address is also constantly changing, therefore ethN also > > changes, if that's the case you should make an udev rule telling udev to > > keep a mac address for that card. > > I've never done it in gobolinux but i assume you should add a rule to > > /System/Settings/udev/rules.d. > > this link might help: > > http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html > > hmm, weird that i should keep changing... > > ill have to look into it, thanks. i just didnt expect it to be issued a new > eth each time. > yep, its udev thats acting up allright. seems one of its scripts keep adding to one of the others. a quick hack for me would be to nuke the one that keeps setting the eth* entries as i have no idea how the udev script works. as in, both card have the same mac maintained, but each time the driver is modprobed in the script triggers and writes out a new line in the script thats supposed to maintain the eth across reboots. funny thing is that while firewire kept getting eth0 (even if it had as many entries in the script file as my true ethernet card) the ethernet card got a new eth each time. ugh, udev scripts are deep waters for me :( From jonka750 at student.liu.se Fri Jun 29 20:27:08 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:27:08 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] ALSA doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <845151.1806.qm@web58813.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <200706292040.53037.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:55:08 +0200, demian florentin wrote: > On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: >> >> On Friday 29 June 2007 19:43:36 Patrick Smith wrote: >> > Hi, I have an audio problem with GoboLinux 013. >> > >> > I read through the mail list and it seems that sound is a perpetual >> problem >> > with GoboLinux and yet the wiki has nothing on how to fix sound >> problems. I >> > think sound problems certainly deserve some attention. >> > >> > Anyway, my problem is that ALSA doesn't recognize my soundcard. Since >> ALSA >> > doesn't work most other things that depend on it (arts, Noatun, ...) >> don't >> > work either. I added the proper module (snd-via82xx) in the boot >> settings >> > and that doesn't help. >> > >> > I should point out that KDE does work with OSS, MPlayer also works. I >> don't >> > remember if this worked before I added the module. >> > >> > Here are the relevant details: >> > - the card is an integrated VIA 82xx >> > - during bootup ALSA reports: "No soundcard found" >> > - lspci does list the card >> > - /dev/dsp does exist >> > - arts pops up with a "sound server error" if KDE is set to use ALSA >> > - arts generally doesn't work >> > - alsaconf reports an error, something like "cannot find default: no >> such >> > card" >> > >> > So how do I fix this? >> > >> >> dont know, all i can say is that i have a similar problem here. the >> interesting bit is that alsamixer can still be used. >> >> also, im sure my card worked when booting from 013 the first time round, >> but >> after doing some updating it broke. dont know when. >> > Hello Patrick, i also use via82xx and i had a similar problem, I disabled > all OSS kernel support and alsa started working, I hope it helps. > That does imply that there's a conflict between the OSS and the ALSA module. Patrick and Demian, you should try to delete or move the OSS module and see if that helps. The OSS module should be somewhere under /System/Kernel/Modules/Current/kernel/sound/oss/ -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From mpb.mail at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 20:31:36 2007 From: mpb.mail at gmail.com (mpb) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:31:36 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > On 6/28/07, mpb wrote: > > Perhaps one file - a master list of conflicts, plus some kind of > > Script that could analyze the master list and print out various types > > of information and summaries. On 6/28/07, hisham.hm at gmail.com wrote: > Ah, the eternal temptation of using a database (even if flat-file > based) and a script to keep it in sync. Always good on paper. But the > pure fs approach is much much cleaner: you instantly see when the main > or alternate links are broken, the symlink shows which app they point > to, plus you get various types of information and summaries using > regular Unix tools. My concern is that creating .Alternative in the current Links subdirectories files feels dirty to me. What if some Program actually has a file named .Alternative...? How about symlinks as follows: System/Links/Conflicts/ProgramA/lib/libfoo.so -> System/Links/Conflicts/ProgramB/lib/libfoo.so -> etc. Or alternatively: System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramA-1.0 -> System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramB-3.4 -> etc. -mpb From jonka750 at student.liu.se Fri Jun 29 20:29:03 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:29:03 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] ALSA doesn't work In-Reply-To: <845151.1806.qm@web58813.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <845151.1806.qm@web58813.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:43:36 +0200, Patrick Smith wrote: > Hi, I have an audio problem with GoboLinux 013. > > I read through the mail list and it seems that sound is a perpetual problem > with GoboLinux and yet the wiki has nothing on how to fix sound problems. I > think sound problems certainly deserve some attention. > > Anyway, my problem is that ALSA doesn't recognize my soundcard. Since ALSA > doesn't work most other things that depend on it (arts, Noatun, ...) don't > work either. I added the proper module (snd-via82xx) in the boot settings > and that doesn't help. > > I should point out that KDE does work with OSS, MPlayer also works. I don't > remember if this worked before I added the module. > > Here are the relevant details: > - the card is an integrated VIA 82xx > - during bootup ALSA reports: "No soundcard found" > - lspci does list the card > - /dev/dsp does exist > - arts pops up with a "sound server error" if KDE is set to use ALSA > - arts generally doesn't work > - alsaconf reports an error, something like "cannot find default: no such card" > > So how do I fix this? > More information could help. Output of 'lsmod' and relevant output from 'lspci'. You could also try the solution I suggested below, removing/moving the OSS module. -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From jonka750 at student.liu.se Fri Jun 29 20:37:51 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:37:51 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:26:57 +0200, kenneth marken wrote: > im trying to do some manual source based installs, and it seems to work fine > up until the sandboxintall stage. it keeps reporting something about orphaned > files when it does the postprosessing of the sandbox. > > btw, im using the guide in the wiki for this. > SandboxInstall is quite tricky to use by its own. I would recommend creating a recipe for the application you're trying to build. Most of the times (there are very few exceptions) you will gain more time than you put into making the recipe. If you still want to use SandboxInstall by its own you should note what files that are orphaned and either change/patch the installation process to install those files into the application's prefix or make the files unmanaged by passing the conflicting files or directories to SandboxInstall using the '--unmanaged-files' option, e.g. 'SandboxInstall --unmanaged-files="/System/Variable/log/foo:/System/Variable/lock/foo" foo 1.0' The former is prefered for most files or directories. -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From jonka750 at student.liu.se Fri Jun 29 20:42:35 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:42:35 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] weird network behaviour In-Reply-To: <200706292153.46424.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706291928.07702.k-marken@online.no> <200706292123.40742.k-marken@online.no> <200706292153.46424.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:53:46 +0200, kenneth marken wrote: > On Friday 29 June 2007 21:23:40 kenneth marken wrote: >> On Friday 29 June 2007 21:22:04 demian florentin wrote: >> > I guess your mac address is also constantly changing, therefore ethN also >> > changes, if that's the case you should make an udev rule telling udev to >> > keep a mac address for that card. >> > I've never done it in gobolinux but i assume you should add a rule to >> > /System/Settings/udev/rules.d. >> > this link might help: >> > http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html >> >> hmm, weird that i should keep changing... >> >> ill have to look into it, thanks. i just didnt expect it to be issued a new >> eth each time. >> > > yep, its udev thats acting up allright. seems one of its scripts keep adding > to one of the others. > > a quick hack for me would be to nuke the one that keeps setting the eth* > entries as i have no idea how the udev script works. > > as in, both card have the same mac maintained, but each time the driver is > modprobed in the script triggers and writes out a new line in the script > thats supposed to maintain the eth across reboots. funny thing is that while > firewire kept getting eth0 (even if it had as many entries in the script file > as my true ethernet card) the ethernet card got a new eth each time. > What scripts are you talking about? Is it any of our scripts or is it udev? > ugh, udev scripts are deep waters for me :( If it's scripts it might not be udev, as udev is mostly rules. -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From jonka750 at student.liu.se Fri Jun 29 20:44:16 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:44:16 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:31:36 +0200, mpb wrote: >> On 6/28/07, mpb wrote: >> > Perhaps one file - a master list of conflicts, plus some kind of >> > Script that could analyze the master list and print out various types >> > of information and summaries. > > On 6/28/07, hisham.hm at gmail.com wrote: >> Ah, the eternal temptation of using a database (even if flat-file >> based) and a script to keep it in sync. Always good on paper. But the >> pure fs approach is much much cleaner: you instantly see when the main >> or alternate links are broken, the symlink shows which app they point >> to, plus you get various types of information and summaries using >> regular Unix tools. > > My concern is that creating .Alternative in the current Links > subdirectories files feels dirty to me. What if some Program actually > has a file named .Alternative...? > > How about symlinks as follows: > > System/Links/Conflicts/ProgramA/lib/libfoo.so -> > System/Links/Conflicts/ProgramB/lib/libfoo.so -> > etc. > > Or alternatively: > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramA-1.0 -> > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramB-3.4 -> > etc. I like the latter. It looks easier to restore. Actually I like it alot. :) -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 20:48:30 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:48:30 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: > > My concern is that creating .Alternative in the current Links > subdirectories files feels dirty to me. What if some Program actually > has a file named .Alternative...? > > How about symlinks as follows: > > System/Links/Conflicts/ProgramA/lib/libfoo.so -> > System/Links/Conflicts/ProgramB/lib/libfoo.so -> > etc. > > Or alternatively: > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramA-1.0 -> > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramB-3.4 -> > etc. > Conflicts is a better name than Alternatives. Matches existing nomenclature better. Not sure about turning each conflicting file into a directory. I REALLY like how the original package is named so you don't need to look where the symlink is pointing to. The previous proposals have an incrementing counter which I don't like. Long lived installs would have .Alternative13432424--libfoo.so which gets unwieldy fast. Reclaiming unused numbers is an option but adds complexity. -- Carlo J. Calica From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 20:51:09 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:51:09 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <200706292251.10005.k-marken@online.no> On Friday 29 June 2007 22:37:51 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:26:57 +0200, kenneth marken wrote: > > im trying to do some manual source based installs, and it seems to work > > fine up until the sandboxintall stage. it keeps reporting something about > > orphaned files when it does the postprosessing of the sandbox. > > > > btw, im using the guide in the wiki for this. > > SandboxInstall is quite tricky to use by its own. I would recommend > creating a recipe for the application you're trying to build. Most of the > times (there are very few exceptions) you will gain more time than you put > into making the recipe. > > If you still want to use SandboxInstall by its own you should note what > files that are orphaned and either change/patch the installation process to > install those files into the application's prefix or make the files > unmanaged by passing the conflicting files or directories to SandboxInstall > using the '--unmanaged-files' option, e.g. > 'SandboxInstall > --unmanaged-files="/System/Variable/log/foo:/System/Variable/lock/foo" foo > 1.0' > > The former is prefered for most files or directories. well if thats the case, maybe the wiki should get a rewrite or something? From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 20:55:30 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:55:30 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Rationales for patches in recipes? (was: Re: gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1) In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706282112h5d7c6bcbo87be2efcb7b5e11e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> <4684240C.7020803@charter.net> <4684289A.4000606@charter.net> <46844a41.XaaKdgcbdic6HZWo%mjr@phonecoop.coop> <5e7d91620706282112h5d7c6bcbo87be2efcb7b5e11e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/28/07, hisham.hm at gmail.com wrote: > On 6/28/07, MJ Ray wrote: > > Isaac Dupree wrote: > > > It would be nice if there were a standard way to document the rationale > > > for adding each patch (beyond the filename of the patch) [...] > > > > man patch says "patch tries to skip any leading garbage," so we could > > just write it above the patch header... I'll try it next time I patch. > > Yes, I've done this a few times (you may find it in some recipes), > it's a great way to document a patch. > Is it obvious though? Also, it wouldn't match my recipe workflow. I typically diff foo.orig foo >.../01-bar.patch when upgrading versions. I would now need to use a temp file and some additional editing. An external 01-bar.readme could list rationale, upstream source, whatever without risk of loosing that data. Probably easier for RecipeLint to check too. -- Carlo J. Calica From jonka750 at student.liu.se Fri Jun 29 20:53:37 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:53:37 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <200706292251.10005.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292251.10005.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:51:09 +0200, kenneth marken wrote: > On Friday 29 June 2007 22:37:51 Jonas Karlsson wrote: >> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:26:57 +0200, kenneth marken > wrote: >> > im trying to do some manual source based installs, and it seems to work >> > fine up until the sandboxintall stage. it keeps reporting something about >> > orphaned files when it does the postprosessing of the sandbox. >> > >> > btw, im using the guide in the wiki for this. >> >> SandboxInstall is quite tricky to use by its own. I would recommend >> creating a recipe for the application you're trying to build. Most of the >> times (there are very few exceptions) you will gain more time than you put >> into making the recipe. >> >> If you still want to use SandboxInstall by its own you should note what >> files that are orphaned and either change/patch the installation process to >> install those files into the application's prefix or make the files >> unmanaged by passing the conflicting files or directories to SandboxInstall >> using the '--unmanaged-files' option, e.g. >> 'SandboxInstall >> --unmanaged-files="/System/Variable/log/foo:/System/Variable/lock/foo" foo >> 1.0' >> >> The former is prefered for most files or directories. > > well if thats the case, maybe the wiki should get a rewrite or something? Which page? I'll take a look at it. Secondly 'SandboxInstall -h' does print (as a note) "Normally you'll want to use Compile(1) instead. 'SandboxInstall' is called by Compile(1)." Perhaps that should be rephrased to emphasize it? -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 21:00:28 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:00:28 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] weird network behaviour In-Reply-To: References: <200706291928.07702.k-marken@online.no> <200706292153.46424.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <200706292300.28243.k-marken@online.no> On Friday 29 June 2007 22:42:35 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:53:46 +0200, kenneth marken wrote: > > On Friday 29 June 2007 21:23:40 kenneth marken wrote: > >> On Friday 29 June 2007 21:22:04 demian florentin wrote: > >> > I guess your mac address is also constantly changing, therefore ethN > >> > also changes, if that's the case you should make an udev rule telling > >> > udev to keep a mac address for that card. > >> > I've never done it in gobolinux but i assume you should add a rule to > >> > /System/Settings/udev/rules.d. > >> > this link might help: > >> > http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html > >> > >> hmm, weird that i should keep changing... > >> > >> ill have to look into it, thanks. i just didnt expect it to be issued a > >> new eth each time. > > > > yep, its udev thats acting up allright. seems one of its scripts keep > > adding to one of the others. > > > > a quick hack for me would be to nuke the one that keeps setting the eth* > > entries as i have no idea how the udev script works. > > > > as in, both card have the same mac maintained, but each time the driver > > is modprobed in the script triggers and writes out a new line in the > > script thats supposed to maintain the eth across reboots. funny thing is > > that while firewire kept getting eth0 (even if it had as many entries in > > the script file as my true ethernet card) the ethernet card got a new eth > > each time. > > What scripts are you talking about? Is it any of our scripts or is it udev? > > > ugh, udev scripts are deep waters for me :( > > If it's scripts it might not be udev, as udev is mostly rules. scrips, rules i cant tell the diff. they look like scripts, hell they even have goto's in them. the are udev a rules file (/System/Settings/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules) that are triggered upon modprobing a driver (or similar) and assign the network device a eth. funny thing is that this file writes its actions into a different file (70-persistent-net.rules), one that looks like its having higher priority then the assignment rules in question. this leads me to belive that the assignement rules are supposed to only assign devices that have yet to be assigned by the earlier rules. thing is that neither of the network related devices changes relevant parameters that i can see. so i see no reason for there being assigned a new eth each time the driver is modprobed. it also seems that this does not only happen with networking devices. there is a similar rules system for optical drives, and there to it seems to have been genereated multiple rules for the same device. funny thing is that the mounting still works as i have only one optical drive, and i suspect it gets symlinked into the proper place. and its the symlink thats used when mounting is being performed. From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 21:05:17 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:05:17 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292251.10005.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <200706292305.17718.k-marken@online.no> On Friday 29 June 2007 22:53:37 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:51:09 +0200, kenneth marken wrote: > > On Friday 29 June 2007 22:37:51 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > >> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:26:57 +0200, kenneth marken > > > > wrote: > >> > im trying to do some manual source based installs, and it seems to > >> > work fine up until the sandboxintall stage. it keeps reporting > >> > something about orphaned files when it does the postprosessing of the > >> > sandbox. > >> > > >> > btw, im using the guide in the wiki for this. > >> > >> SandboxInstall is quite tricky to use by its own. I would recommend > >> creating a recipe for the application you're trying to build. Most of > >> the times (there are very few exceptions) you will gain more time than > >> you put into making the recipe. > >> > >> If you still want to use SandboxInstall by its own you should note what > >> files that are orphaned and either change/patch the installation process > >> to install those files into the application's prefix or make the files > >> unmanaged by passing the conflicting files or directories to > >> SandboxInstall using the '--unmanaged-files' option, e.g. > >> 'SandboxInstall > >> --unmanaged-files="/System/Variable/log/foo:/System/Variable/lock/foo" > >> foo 1.0' > >> > >> The former is prefered for most files or directories. > > > > well if thats the case, maybe the wiki should get a rewrite or something? > > Which page? I'll take a look at it. http://gobo.kundor.org/wiki/Manual_Compile > Secondly 'SandboxInstall -h' does print (as a note) > > "Normally you'll want to use Compile(1) instead. > 'SandboxInstall' is called by Compile(1)." > > Perhaps that should be rephrased to emphasize it? now, if Compile(1) had the option to go ahead and try to create a recipie if you aimed it at a tar-ball and it could not find one (outside of it not being able to contact any server) it would be golden. but right now i dont see it does not, at least automatically. that way one had only two commands. Compile for when one is working on source, InstallPackage when wanting to install a package. From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 21:08:26 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:08:26 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Program dependency registering among each other In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706282126j1c029414k8e27d562c02c50b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200706290238.10409.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282126j1c029414k8e27d562c02c50b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/28/07, hisham.hm at gmail.com wrote: > > The overall idea that there should be a reverse check available for > when removing programs is good. But an efficient implementation is > something to be thought about carefully. > It is possible to do an efficient global check of dependencies files: fgrep ZLib /Programs/*/*/Resources/Dependencies |cut -d / -f 3 |uniq First hit is a little slow but later hits are cached. Better to be slow on this somewhat rare operation than walk the ENTIRE dep tree for every change in /Programs. There are only hundreds of dependencies files. -- Carlo J. Calica From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 21:13:50 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:13:50 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <200706292305.17718.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292305.17718.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <200706292313.50463.k-marken@online.no> On Friday 29 June 2007 23:05:17 kenneth marken wrote: > On Friday 29 June 2007 22:53:37 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:51:09 +0200, kenneth marken > > wrote: > > > On Friday 29 June 2007 22:37:51 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > > >> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:26:57 +0200, kenneth marken > > >> > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > im trying to do some manual source based installs, and it seems to > > >> > work fine up until the sandboxintall stage. it keeps reporting > > >> > something about orphaned files when it does the postprosessing of > > >> > the sandbox. > > >> > > > >> > btw, im using the guide in the wiki for this. > > >> > > >> SandboxInstall is quite tricky to use by its own. I would recommend > > >> creating a recipe for the application you're trying to build. Most of > > >> the times (there are very few exceptions) you will gain more time than > > >> you put into making the recipe. > > >> > > >> If you still want to use SandboxInstall by its own you should note > > >> what files that are orphaned and either change/patch the installation > > >> process to install those files into the application's prefix or make > > >> the files unmanaged by passing the conflicting files or directories to > > >> SandboxInstall using the '--unmanaged-files' option, e.g. > > >> 'SandboxInstall > > >> --unmanaged-files="/System/Variable/log/foo:/System/Variable/lock/foo" > > >> foo 1.0' > > >> > > >> The former is prefered for most files or directories. > > > > > > well if thats the case, maybe the wiki should get a rewrite or > > > something? > > > > Which page? I'll take a look at it. > > http://gobo.kundor.org/wiki/Manual_Compile > > > Secondly 'SandboxInstall -h' does print (as a note) > > > > "Normally you'll want to use Compile(1) instead. > > 'SandboxInstall' is called by Compile(1)." > > > > Perhaps that should be rephrased to emphasize it? > > now, if Compile(1) had the option to go ahead and try to create a recipie > if you aimed it at a tar-ball and it could not find one (outside of it not > being able to contact any server) it would be golden. but right now i dont > see it does not, at least automatically. that way one had only two > commands. Compile for when one is working on source, InstallPackage when > wanting to install a package. looked into it some more and i find that the toolkit is more buildt around finding the download url, set up the place for it to live ones done, and then have the system download it. while good, it would be nice if it had some kind of option for when one have allready downloaded the sourcecode and wants to install it from the comforts of ones home dir. From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 21:14:53 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:14:53 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <200706292305.17718.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292251.10005.k-marken@online.no> <200706292305.17718.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > > now, if Compile(1) had the option to go ahead and try to create a recipie if > you aimed it at a tar-ball and it could not find one (outside of it not being > able to contact any server) it would be golden. but right now i dont see it > does not, at least automatically. that way one had only two commands. Compile > for when one is working on source, InstallPackage when wanting to install a > package. > Use "MakeRecipe " to create recipe. then use "Compile Foo" to build it. -- Carlo J. Calica From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 21:19:07 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:19:07 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <200706292313.50463.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292305.17718.k-marken@online.no> <200706292313.50463.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > > looked into it some more and i find that the toolkit is more buildt around > finding the download url, set up the place for it to live ones done, and then > have the system download it. while good, it would be nice if it had some kind > of option for when one have allready downloaded the sourcecode and wants to > install it from the comforts of ones home dir. > By using the download url the recipe is useful to others. You need to find the url anyway. Rather than a click to d/l, use right click to copy link to clipboard. If want to avoid d/l a second time, more tarball to /Files/Compile/Archive and the tools won't d/l again. -- Carlo J. Calica From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 21:20:45 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:20:45 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292305.17718.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <200706292320.45279.k-marken@online.no> On Friday 29 June 2007 23:14:53 Carlo Calica wrote: > On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > > now, if Compile(1) had the option to go ahead and try to create a recipie > > if you aimed it at a tar-ball and it could not find one (outside of it > > not being able to contact any server) it would be golden. but right now i > > dont see it does not, at least automatically. that way one had only two > > commands. Compile for when one is working on source, InstallPackage when > > wanting to install a package. > > Use "MakeRecipe " to create recipe. then use "Compile > Foo" to build it. well that was hardly documented by MakeRecipe... as in, it gives no indication that it can deduce the name and version of the source in question in any of the examples given when one enters "MakeRecipe -h". From mpb.mail at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 21:21:23 2007 From: mpb.mail at gmail.com (mpb) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:21:23 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, Carlo Calica wrote: > On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: > > > > My concern is that creating .Alternative in the current Links > > subdirectories files feels dirty to me. What if some Program actually > > has a file named .Alternative...? > > > > How about symlinks as follows: > > > > System/Links/Conflicts/ProgramA/lib/libfoo.so -> > > System/Links/Conflicts/ProgramB/lib/libfoo.so -> > > etc. > > > > Or alternatively: > > > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramA-1.0 -> > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramB-3.4 -> > > etc. > > > > Conflicts is a better name than Alternatives. Matches existing > nomenclature better. Not sure about turning each conflicting file > into a directory. I REALLY like how the original package is named so > you don't need to look where the symlink is pointing to. The previous > proposals have an incrementing counter which I don't like. Long lived > installs would have .Alternative13432424--libfoo.so which gets > unwieldy fast. Reclaiming unused numbers is an option but adds > complexity. How about: System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so--ProgramA-3.4 -> -mpb From jonka750 at student.liu.se Fri Jun 29 21:22:11 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:22:11 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <200706292313.50463.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292305.17718.k-marken@online.no> <200706292313.50463.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:13:50 +0200, kenneth marken wrote: > On Friday 29 June 2007 23:05:17 kenneth marken wrote: >> On Friday 29 June 2007 22:53:37 Jonas Karlsson wrote: >> > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:51:09 +0200, kenneth marken >> >> wrote: >> > > On Friday 29 June 2007 22:37:51 Jonas Karlsson wrote: >> > >> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:26:57 +0200, kenneth marken >> > >> >> > > >> > > wrote: >> > >> > im trying to do some manual source based installs, and it seems to >> > >> > work fine up until the sandboxintall stage. it keeps reporting >> > >> > something about orphaned files when it does the postprosessing of >> > >> > the sandbox. >> > >> > >> > >> > btw, im using the guide in the wiki for this. >> > >> >> > >> SandboxInstall is quite tricky to use by its own. I would recommend >> > >> creating a recipe for the application you're trying to build. Most of >> > >> the times (there are very few exceptions) you will gain more time than >> > >> you put into making the recipe. >> > >> >> > >> If you still want to use SandboxInstall by its own you should note >> > >> what files that are orphaned and either change/patch the installation >> > >> process to install those files into the application's prefix or make >> > >> the files unmanaged by passing the conflicting files or directories to >> > >> SandboxInstall using the '--unmanaged-files' option, e.g. >> > >> 'SandboxInstall >> > >> --unmanaged-files="/System/Variable/log/foo:/System/Variable/lock/foo" >> > >> foo 1.0' >> > >> >> > >> The former is prefered for most files or directories. >> > > >> > > well if thats the case, maybe the wiki should get a rewrite or >> > > something? >> > >> > Which page? I'll take a look at it. >> >> http://gobo.kundor.org/wiki/Manual_Compile >> Actually I couldn't see anything wrong with that page, except that it didn't mention that one should try to create a recipe first and only use manual compilation if everything else fails, so I've added this. >> > Secondly 'SandboxInstall -h' does print (as a note) >> > >> > "Normally you'll want to use Compile(1) instead. >> > 'SandboxInstall' is called by Compile(1)." >> > >> > Perhaps that should be rephrased to emphasize it? >> >> now, if Compile(1) had the option to go ahead and try to create a recipie >> if you aimed it at a tar-ball and it could not find one (outside of it not >> being able to contact any server) it would be golden. but right now i dont >> see it does not, at least automatically. that way one had only two >> commands. Compile for when one is working on source, InstallPackage when >> wanting to install a package. > > looked into it some more and i find that the toolkit is more buildt around > finding the download url, set up the place for it to live ones done, and then > have the system download it. while good, it would be nice if it had some kind > of option for when one have allready downloaded the sourcecode and wants to > install it from the comforts of ones home dir. > Please look at the --help for each of the tools. Most of the tools support the '--no-fetch' option, which prevents the script to go online. So in your case the commands would be: 'MakeRecipe --no-fetch foo 1.2 http://some.bogus/or/real/url' 'Compile --no-fetch foo 1.2' If you use a real url for MakeRecipe you don't have to specify name and version in most cases. -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 21:26:25 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:26:25 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292313.50463.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <200706292326.25595.k-marken@online.no> On Friday 29 June 2007 23:19:07 Carlo Calica wrote: > On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > > looked into it some more and i find that the toolkit is more buildt > > around finding the download url, set up the place for it to live ones > > done, and then have the system download it. while good, it would be nice > > if it had some kind of option for when one have allready downloaded the > > sourcecode and wants to install it from the comforts of ones home dir. > > By using the download url the recipe is useful to others. You need to > find the url anyway. Rather than a click to d/l, use right click to > copy link to clipboard. If want to avoid d/l a second time, more > tarball to /Files/Compile/Archive and the tools won't d/l again. well true that... hmm, just tried it and the target for my effort use a special kind of configure and make setup. to be specific the target have multiple configure files, depending on what your going to compile, and matching multiple makefiles. funny thing is that MakeRecipe gave me a error that it could not detect the configure system and wanted me to add the configure_options flag. im guessing i have to manually edit the recipe template or something. From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 21:27:05 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:27:05 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: > > How about: > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so--ProgramA-3.4 -> > That works. Using the dir might be better is there are a lot of conflicts. Another twist is expanded vs symlinked directories. Or do symlinked dirs always turn into expanded dirs during a conflict. -- Carlo J. Calica From jonka750 at student.liu.se Fri Jun 29 21:23:44 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:23:44 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <200706292320.45279.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292305.17718.k-marken@online.no> <200706292320.45279.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:20:45 +0200, kenneth marken wrote: > On Friday 29 June 2007 23:14:53 Carlo Calica wrote: >> On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: >> > now, if Compile(1) had the option to go ahead and try to create a recipie >> > if you aimed it at a tar-ball and it could not find one (outside of it >> > not being able to contact any server) it would be golden. but right now i >> > dont see it does not, at least automatically. that way one had only two >> > commands. Compile for when one is working on source, InstallPackage when >> > wanting to install a package. >> >> Use "MakeRecipe " to create recipe. then use "Compile >> Foo" to build it. > > well that was hardly documented by MakeRecipe... > > as in, it gives no indication that it can deduce the name and version of the > source in question in any of the examples given when one > enters "MakeRecipe -h". Even so, it shouldn't stop you from using MakeRecipe by specifying name and version for the application you want to make a recipe for. -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 21:28:37 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:28:37 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292313.50463.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <200706292328.37813.k-marken@online.no> On Friday 29 June 2007 23:22:11 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:13:50 +0200, kenneth marken wrote: > > On Friday 29 June 2007 23:05:17 kenneth marken wrote: > >> On Friday 29 June 2007 22:53:37 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > >> > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:51:09 +0200, kenneth marken > >> > > >> > >> wrote: > >> > > On Friday 29 June 2007 22:37:51 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:26:57 +0200, kenneth marken > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > im trying to do some manual source based installs, and it seems > >> > >> > to work fine up until the sandboxintall stage. it keeps reporting > >> > >> > something about orphaned files when it does the postprosessing of > >> > >> > the sandbox. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > btw, im using the guide in the wiki for this. > >> > >> > >> > >> SandboxInstall is quite tricky to use by its own. I would recommend > >> > >> creating a recipe for the application you're trying to build. Most > >> > >> of the times (there are very few exceptions) you will gain more > >> > >> time than you put into making the recipe. > >> > >> > >> > >> If you still want to use SandboxInstall by its own you should note > >> > >> what files that are orphaned and either change/patch the > >> > >> installation process to install those files into the application's > >> > >> prefix or make the files unmanaged by passing the conflicting files > >> > >> or directories to SandboxInstall using the '--unmanaged-files' > >> > >> option, e.g. > >> > >> 'SandboxInstall > >> > >> --unmanaged-files="/System/Variable/log/foo:/System/Variable/lock/f > >> > >>oo" foo 1.0' > >> > >> > >> > >> The former is prefered for most files or directories. > >> > > > >> > > well if thats the case, maybe the wiki should get a rewrite or > >> > > something? > >> > > >> > Which page? I'll take a look at it. > >> > >> http://gobo.kundor.org/wiki/Manual_Compile > > Actually I couldn't see anything wrong with that page, except that it > didn't mention that one should try to create a recipe first and only use > manual compilation if everything else fails, so I've added this. > > >> > Secondly 'SandboxInstall -h' does print (as a note) > >> > > >> > "Normally you'll want to use Compile(1) instead. > >> > 'SandboxInstall' is called by Compile(1)." > >> > > >> > Perhaps that should be rephrased to emphasize it? > >> > >> now, if Compile(1) had the option to go ahead and try to create a > >> recipie if you aimed it at a tar-ball and it could not find one (outside > >> of it not being able to contact any server) it would be golden. but > >> right now i dont see it does not, at least automatically. that way one > >> had only two commands. Compile for when one is working on source, > >> InstallPackage when wanting to install a package. > > > > looked into it some more and i find that the toolkit is more buildt > > around finding the download url, set up the place for it to live ones > > done, and then have the system download it. while good, it would be nice > > if it had some kind of option for when one have allready downloaded the > > sourcecode and wants to install it from the comforts of ones home dir. > > Please look at the --help for each of the tools. Most of the tools support > the '--no-fetch' option, which prevents the script to go online. So in your > case the commands would be: > 'MakeRecipe --no-fetch foo 1.2 http://some.bogus/or/real/url' > 'Compile --no-fetch foo 1.2' > If you use a real url for MakeRecipe you don't have to specify name and > version in most cases. would be equally nice if they could take a local file rather then a url and be done with it. From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 21:31:44 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:31:44 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292320.45279.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <200706292331.44433.k-marken@online.no> On Friday 29 June 2007 23:23:44 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:20:45 +0200, kenneth marken wrote: > > On Friday 29 June 2007 23:14:53 Carlo Calica wrote: > >> On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > >> > now, if Compile(1) had the option to go ahead and try to create a > >> > recipie if you aimed it at a tar-ball and it could not find one > >> > (outside of it not being able to contact any server) it would be > >> > golden. but right now i dont see it does not, at least automatically. > >> > that way one had only two commands. Compile for when one is working on > >> > source, InstallPackage when wanting to install a package. > >> > >> Use "MakeRecipe " to create recipe. then use "Compile > >> Foo" to build it. > > > > well that was hardly documented by MakeRecipe... > > > > as in, it gives no indication that it can deduce the name and version of > > the source in question in any of the examples given when one > > enters "MakeRecipe -h". > > Even so, it shouldn't stop you from using MakeRecipe by specifying name and > version for the application you want to make a recipe for. true, but when your sitting there with a bit of code you just want to get compiled so that you can test it out, this is getting into the area of overkill. as in, its clear that the tools are made for contributors rather then end users. From mpb.mail at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 21:36:52 2007 From: mpb.mail at gmail.com (mpb) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:36:52 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: > > How about: > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so--ProgramA-3.4 -> On 6/29/07, Carlo Calica wrote: > That works. Using the dir might be better is there are a lot of > conflicts. Another twist is expanded vs symlinked directories. Or do > symlinked dirs always turn into expanded dirs during a conflict. Actually, I like libfoo.so--ProgramA-3.4 better than the directory. Symlinked dirs should expand on conflict. Directories never conflict with other directories - they can quite happily share the same path. Only files can cause conflicts. (However, a directory could conflict with a file, if they shared the same path.) There is actually bug that prevents expansion in certain situations (for example, where $goboPrefix is itself a symlink). http://bugs.gobolinux.org/view.php?id=109 -mpb From isaacdupree at charter.net Fri Jun 29 21:40:29 2007 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:40:29 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46857C4D.7000705@charter.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carlo Calica wrote: > On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: >> How about: >> >> System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so--ProgramA-3.4 -> >> Either way, it might be desirable to preserve the file's names, or at least their extensions, so programs dealing with them don't get confused. System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/ProgramA-3.4--libfoo.so System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramA-3.4/libfoo.so System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/ProgramA-3.4/libfoo.so hmm... we don't really want the program's name to confuse the sorting, and I don't suppose we really want to duplicate the file name either (not sure either is much of a problem though) -Isaac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGhXxNHgcxvIWYTTURAm9CAKCrxrYnpkNgL5EAvlxbyrGAh1LteACfU0mH FcTGaOedo+lpLqHw9UWaFis= =xqwI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 21:45:39 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:45:39 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <200706292331.44433.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292320.45279.k-marken@online.no> <200706292331.44433.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > On Friday 29 June 2007 23:23:44 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > > > > Even so, it shouldn't stop you from using MakeRecipe by specifying name and > > version for the application you want to make a recipe for. > > true, but when your sitting there with a bit of code you just want to get > compiled so that you can test it out, this is getting into the area of > overkill. as in, its clear that the tools are made for contributors rather > then end users. > We used to have a tool called CompileProgram that did just as you say. It was cumbersome to use (requiring odd combinations of switchs and args to select different options). You need to provide the same metadata (except url) to both CompileProgram and Compile. Compile just uses an easy to understand file format. Compile used to have code to handle tarballs directly (rather than url= use file=) but it isn't recommended. Hasn't been tested for a while. And might have even been removed or used for something different and I'm making assumptions. Now long term. /System/Index will make a lot of this go away. We'll just need a simple wrapper around any "make install" step. -- Carlo J. Calica From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 21:51:28 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:51:28 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292331.44433.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <200706292351.28103.k-marken@online.no> On Friday 29 June 2007 23:45:39 Carlo Calica wrote: > On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > > On Friday 29 June 2007 23:23:44 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > > > Even so, it shouldn't stop you from using MakeRecipe by specifying name > > > and version for the application you want to make a recipe for. > > > > true, but when your sitting there with a bit of code you just want to get > > compiled so that you can test it out, this is getting into the area of > > overkill. as in, its clear that the tools are made for contributors > > rather then end users. > > We used to have a tool called CompileProgram that did just as you say. > It was cumbersome to use (requiring odd combinations of switchs and > args to select different options). You need to provide the same > metadata (except url) to both CompileProgram and Compile. Compile > just uses an easy to understand file format. > > Compile used to have code to handle tarballs directly (rather than > url= use file=) but it isn't recommended. Hasn't been tested for a > while. And might have even been removed or used for something > different and I'm making assumptions. > > Now long term. /System/Index will make a lot of this go away. We'll > just need a simple wrapper around any "make install" step. hmm, after playing around with MakeRecipe i find that what may be most needed is a howto on the wiki that have a similary eye catching name as "manual compile". as far as i can see there is none. there is the script index and the recipe format specification, but no step for step guide to doing the job. this may lead others to do what i did, assume that the "manual compile" is the expected way of doing source installs when a recipe cant be found on the servers. still, after doing the recipe the correct way i still get some left over files in the sandbox. From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 21:53:27 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:53:27 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: > > On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: > > > How about: > > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so--ProgramA-3.4 -> > > On 6/29/07, Carlo Calica wrote: > > That works. Using the dir might be better is there are a lot of > > conflicts. Another twist is expanded vs symlinked directories. Or do > > symlinked dirs always turn into expanded dirs during a conflict. > > Actually, I like libfoo.so--ProgramA-3.4 better than the directory. > > Symlinked dirs should expand on conflict. > > Directories never conflict with other directories - they can quite > happily share the same path. Only files can cause conflicts. > (However, a directory could conflict with a file, if they shared the > same path.) > I'm thinking of the case was the contents of both directories are the same. Probably a worthless optimization thats not worth the complexity. -- Carlo J. Calica From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 21:56:22 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:56:22 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: <46857C4D.7000705@charter.net> References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> <46857C4D.7000705@charter.net> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, Isaac Dupree wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Carlo Calica wrote: > > On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: > >> How about: > >> > >> System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so--ProgramA-3.4 -> > >> > > Either way, it might be desirable to preserve the file's names, or at > least their extensions, so programs dealing with them don't get confused. > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/ProgramA-3.4--libfoo.so > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramA-3.4/libfoo.so > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/ProgramA-3.4/libfoo.so > > hmm... we don't really want the program's name to confuse the sorting, > and I don't suppose we really want to duplicate the file name either > (not sure either is much of a problem though) > /S/L/Conflicts/libfoo--ProgramA--3.4.so ? That's confusing too. -- Carlo J. Calica From isaacdupree at charter.net Fri Jun 29 21:58:57 2007 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:58:57 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <200706292331.44433.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292320.45279.k-marken@online.no> <200706292331.44433.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <468580A1.1010606@charter.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 kenneth marken wrote: > as in, its clear that the tools are made for contributors rather > then end users. although, it's very nice that because the tools ask a little extra out of you, every end user can very easily become a contributor! It is one of the outstanding things of GoboLinux versus other packaging systems. Also (for more than one-off things, which almost anything has the potential to become) it makes it easier to repeat compiling(/installing) what you already have. I find that relaxing. That being said, yes, the tools are not optimized for things that don't have a Uniform Resource Identifier (URL). ...if you store stuff in a consistent place on your system, how about a file:///x/y/z url, does that make any sense? We really don't want people to get lazy and use the stuff they've already downloaded, it is way too tempting and makes it harder(read: non-trivial, so it is very likely not to happen at all) to submit working-anywhere(in theory), verified recipes. Funny when "end user" means "code developer", too. I have a feeling Gobo is more optimized for end users than (non-gobo-)developers ;-) (although I guess, at least in concept, it's still much more friendly to the possibility of a test install (within the packaging system!) than most distros. And persistent, examinable recipes are still helpful.) hmm... Isaac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGhYChHgcxvIWYTTURAoQmAJ9EyOyymUrIXQCySB39pQDun8xw6wCgvUGg 0ePAqCGpWEq3pqOz7ZyAdNY= =qix8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 22:00:43 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:00:43 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <200706292351.28103.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292331.44433.k-marken@online.no> <200706292351.28103.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > On Friday 29 June 2007 23:45:39 Carlo Calica wrote: > > On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > > > On Friday 29 June 2007 23:23:44 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > > > > Even so, it shouldn't stop you from using MakeRecipe by specifying name > > > > and version for the application you want to make a recipe for. > > > > > > true, but when your sitting there with a bit of code you just want to get > > > compiled so that you can test it out, this is getting into the area of > > > overkill. as in, its clear that the tools are made for contributors > > > rather then end users. > > > > We used to have a tool called CompileProgram that did just as you say. > > It was cumbersome to use (requiring odd combinations of switchs and > > args to select different options). You need to provide the same > > metadata (except url) to both CompileProgram and Compile. Compile > > just uses an easy to understand file format. > > > > Compile used to have code to handle tarballs directly (rather than > > url= use file=) but it isn't recommended. Hasn't been tested for a > > while. And might have even been removed or used for something > > different and I'm making assumptions. > > > > Now long term. /System/Index will make a lot of this go away. We'll > > just need a simple wrapper around any "make install" step. > > hmm, after playing around with MakeRecipe i find that what may be most needed > is a howto on the wiki that have a similary eye catching name as "manual > compile". as far as i can see there is none. there is the script index and > the recipe format specification, but no step for step guide to doing the job. > > this may lead others to do what i did, assume that the "manual compile" is the > expected way of doing source installs when a recipe cant be found on the > servers. > Very true. We have pretty good reference docs but need more tutorials. Feedback like this is great for figuring out what needs to be written. > still, after doing the recipe the correct way i still get some left over files > in the sandbox. This is where recipes are great. What are you trying to install? (url?). What files are left over? Basically the program is installing files outside its /Programs/Foo/1.0 prefix. Might need to pass an extra option to configure. Maybe a make VAR. Maybe need to edit (patch) the source. -- Carlo J. Calica From k-marken at online.no Fri Jun 29 22:05:00 2007 From: k-marken at online.no (kenneth marken) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:05:00 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292351.28103.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <200706300005.00888.k-marken@online.no> On Saturday 30 June 2007 00:00:43 Carlo Calica wrote: > On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > > On Friday 29 June 2007 23:45:39 Carlo Calica wrote: > > > On 6/29/07, kenneth marken wrote: > > > > On Friday 29 June 2007 23:23:44 Jonas Karlsson wrote: > > > > > Even so, it shouldn't stop you from using MakeRecipe by specifying > > > > > name and version for the application you want to make a recipe for. > > > > > > > > true, but when your sitting there with a bit of code you just want to > > > > get compiled so that you can test it out, this is getting into the > > > > area of overkill. as in, its clear that the tools are made for > > > > contributors rather then end users. > > > > > > We used to have a tool called CompileProgram that did just as you say. > > > It was cumbersome to use (requiring odd combinations of switchs and > > > args to select different options). You need to provide the same > > > metadata (except url) to both CompileProgram and Compile. Compile > > > just uses an easy to understand file format. > > > > > > Compile used to have code to handle tarballs directly (rather than > > > url= use file=) but it isn't recommended. Hasn't been tested for a > > > while. And might have even been removed or used for something > > > different and I'm making assumptions. > > > > > > Now long term. /System/Index will make a lot of this go away. We'll > > > just need a simple wrapper around any "make install" step. > > > > hmm, after playing around with MakeRecipe i find that what may be most > > needed is a howto on the wiki that have a similary eye catching name as > > "manual compile". as far as i can see there is none. there is the script > > index and the recipe format specification, but no step for step guide to > > doing the job. > > > > this may lead others to do what i did, assume that the "manual compile" > > is the expected way of doing source installs when a recipe cant be found > > on the servers. > > Very true. We have pretty good reference docs but need more > tutorials. Feedback like this is great for figuring out what needs to > be written. > > > still, after doing the recipe the correct way i still get some left over > > files in the sandbox. > > This is where recipes are great. What are you trying to install? > (url?). What files are left over? > > Basically the program is installing files outside its > /Programs/Foo/1.0 prefix. Might need to pass an extra option to > configure. Maybe a make VAR. Maybe need to edit (patch) the source. this: http://wolfpack.twu.net/ShipWars/XShipWars/download.html From isaacdupree at charter.net Fri Jun 29 22:08:36 2007 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:08:36 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <468580A1.1010606@charter.net> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292320.45279.k-marken@online.no> <200706292331.44433.k-marken@online.no> <468580A1.1010606@charter.net> Message-ID: <468582E4.9030503@charter.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Isaac Dupree wrote: > That being said, yes, the tools are not optimized for things that don't > have a Uniform Resource Identifier (URL). ...if you store stuff in a > consistent place on your system, how about a file:///x/y/z url, does > that make any sense? We really don't want people to get lazy and use the > stuff they've already downloaded, it is way too tempting and makes it > harder(read: non-trivial, so it is very likely not to happen at all) to > submit working-anywhere(in theory), verified recipes. Actually it could be interesting if you can reference a (probably local) file/directory as well as a download-url, and for your effort you automatically get the patch that turns the downloaded thing into your version (in case it needed to be hacked a little to work for you on gobo, perhaps...) Isaac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGhYLkHgcxvIWYTTURAnh5AKDXDd74GY2voYlPwPs9vilLmcjn5gCeONSH pwkf+o+pg3wFSjj8npaSHG8= =B2u5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mpb.mail at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 22:12:47 2007 From: mpb.mail at gmail.com (mpb) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:12:47 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: <46857C4D.7000705@charter.net> References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> <46857C4D.7000705@charter.net> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, Isaac Dupree wrote: > Either way, it might be desirable to preserve the file's names, or at > least their extensions, so programs dealing with them don't get confused. I don't see sufficient value in preserving extensions. As I see it, any program reading the Conflicts directory will be aware of whatever naming convention is used. Am I wrong? -mpb From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 22:19:18 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:19:18 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> <46857C4D.7000705@charter.net> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: > On 6/29/07, Isaac Dupree wrote: > > > Either way, it might be desirable to preserve the file's names, or at > > least their extensions, so programs dealing with them don't get confused. > > I don't see sufficient value in preserving extensions. As I see it, > any program reading the Conflicts directory will be aware of whatever > naming convention is used. Am I wrong? > true I'm liking: System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so--ProgramA-3.4 -- Carlo J. Calica From isaacdupree at charter.net Fri Jun 29 22:24:36 2007 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:24:36 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> <46857C4D.7000705@charter.net> Message-ID: <468586A4.3050208@charter.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 mpb wrote: > On 6/29/07, Isaac Dupree wrote: > >> Either way, it might be desirable to preserve the file's names, or at >> least their extensions, so programs dealing with them don't get confused. > > I don't see sufficient value in preserving extensions. As I see it, > any program reading the Conflicts directory will be aware of whatever > naming convention is used. Am I wrong? Sure, Konqueror (or some program that actually depends on file name/extension, I don't know. I think atool does.) will interpret it differently if you try to look at / do something to it. I don't think we can _split off_ the extension from the rest of the filename, since some filenames have multiple dots in them and we wouldn't know which one marks the beginning of the "real extensions". Isaac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGhYakHgcxvIWYTTURAqA3AKCkIl1c/Gq8Ml1Z+WjLpvCt+g+nTgCcDN6E zpyb6ZP++Ji36lUbZMP64nE= =Na0z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From carlo at calica.com Fri Jun 29 22:28:13 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:28:13 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: <468586A4.3050208@charter.net> References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> <46857C4D.7000705@charter.net> <468586A4.3050208@charter.net> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, Isaac Dupree wrote: > mpb wrote: > > On 6/29/07, Isaac Dupree wrote: > > > >> Either way, it might be desirable to preserve the file's names, or at > >> least their extensions, so programs dealing with them don't get confused. > > > > I don't see sufficient value in preserving extensions. As I see it, > > any program reading the Conflicts directory will be aware of whatever > > naming convention is used. Am I wrong? > > Sure, Konqueror (or some program that actually depends on file > name/extension, I don't know. I think atool does.) will interpret it > differently if you try to look at / do something to it. > Is that an actual use case? I view this as metadata for our package tools. > I don't think we can _split off_ the extension from the rest of the > filename, since some filenames have multiple dots in them and we > wouldn't know which one marks the beginning of the "real extensions". > It is problematic. Basically boils down to prefix or postfix the filename to the other fields. Maintain sort order or extension correctness. Arguably, there is value in sorting on ProgramA too. -- Carlo J. Calica From isaacdupree at charter.net Fri Jun 29 22:37:23 2007 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:37:23 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> <46857C4D.7000705@charter.net> <468586A4.3050208@charter.net> Message-ID: <468589A3.3090307@charter.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carlo Calica wrote: > On 6/29/07, Isaac Dupree wrote: >> Sure, Konqueror (or some program that actually depends on file >> name/extension, I don't know. I think atool does.) will interpret it >> differently if you try to look at / do something to it. >> > > Is that an actual use case? I view this as metadata for our package tools. probably not, it just seems more gobo-ish-ly reliable to me to keep files in the filesystem in close to standard form. unix/gnu/linux isn't big on requiring files to be named in particular ways. Isaac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGhYmjHgcxvIWYTTURAvp+AKCTtbQHXfrXcCOFBZ6kd6ZGEdDXpwCfXv0z eHRAuOSCUtKk5xdo+XLABrI= =L4uf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mpb.mail at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 22:51:08 2007 From: mpb.mail at gmail.com (mpb) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:51:08 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> <46857C4D.7000705@charter.net> <468586A4.3050208@charter.net> Message-ID: On 6/29/07, Carlo Calica wrote: > It is problematic. Basically boils down to prefix or postfix the > filename to the other fields. Maintain sort order or extension > correctness. Too bad we Don't-Use-Databases. You could also create both: Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so-ProgramA-3.4 -> Conflicts/Programs/ProgramA/3.4/libfoo.so -> That would mean 2 symlinks per conflict. I still prefer the single: Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so-Program-3.4 -> > Arguably, there is value in sorting on ProgramA too. Is there value in sorting on ProgramA or filtering by ProgramA? find Conflicts -name '*--ProgramA-*' find Conflicts -name '*.so--*' -mpb From isaacdupree at charter.net Fri Jun 29 22:59:52 2007 From: isaacdupree at charter.net (Isaac Dupree) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:59:52 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1 In-Reply-To: <4684240C.7020803@charter.net> References: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> <4684240C.7020803@charter.net> Message-ID: <46858EE8.1060206@charter.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Isaac Dupree wrote: > Lucas C. Villa Real wrote: >> Ok, I found the problem. I'll be providing a fix soon. > > Thank you! (/me also on a ext3 fs, and NewVersion Linux 2.6.21.5 worked > fine except for the GoboHide problem) While at the linux... I needed GPT partition table support enabled for gobo on my MacBook (CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION). CONFIG_EFI and CONFIG_EFI_VARS=m wouldn't hurt either (though I haven't succeeded at a native EFI boot yet due to bootloader troubles). Isaac -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGhY7nHgcxvIWYTTURAjhrAJ934njqwp6Hq4ylH+ZeMb6t0t4WjwCgv5p/ jc1tFAWBWpP+jklIZP1Inuw= =GJo3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com Sat Jun 30 00:15:14 2007 From: gobo-users-dufus at wotfun.com (Michael Homer) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:15:14 +1200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <468580A1.1010606@charter.net> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292320.45279.k-marken@online.no> <200706292331.44433.k-marken@online.no> <468580A1.1010606@charter.net> Message-ID: On 6/30/07, Isaac Dupree wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > kenneth marken wrote: > > as in, its clear that the tools are made for contributors rather > > then end users. > > although, it's very nice that because the tools ask a little extra out > of you, every end user can very easily become a contributor! It is one > of the outstanding things of GoboLinux versus other packaging systems. > Also (for more than one-off things, which almost anything has the > potential to become) it makes it easier to repeat compiling(/installing) > what you already have. I find that relaxing. > > That being said, yes, the tools are not optimized for things that don't > have a Uniform Resource Identifier (URL). ...if you store stuff in a > consistent place on your system, how about a file:///x/y/z url, does > that make any sense? We really don't want people to get lazy and use the > stuff they've already downloaded, it is way too tempting and makes it > harder(read: non-trivial, so it is very likely not to happen at all) to > submit working-anywhere(in theory), verified recipes. You can just put it in /F/C/Archives and specify the filesize and md5. It won't even try to download it, so you could use a nonce URL, or do something useful and provide a real one. It's not a huge effort to do. Extracted sources can go in /F/C/Sources in much the same way, but you'll have to say yes, you want to use the existing directory (and it's more of a hack). I see no motivation to make that easier. If you deliberately choose not to contribute and that makes your life harder, I really don't care. So long as it's possible to get things done, and it's easy to get them done the right way, I'm pretty pleased with it. The automatic patching Isaac mentioned later on could be nice, though. It might lead to large multi-functional patches, which we generally try to avoid, but it would make makefile and configure tweaks easier. It is something to think about. -Michael From anshuman at brillgene.com Sat Jun 30 05:36:25 2007 From: anshuman at brillgene.com (anshuman at brillgene.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:36:25 -0400 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Beryl Compile failing: Linux 2.6.21 In-Reply-To: References: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> <4684240C.7020803@charter.net> <4684289A.4000606@charter.net> <46844a41.XaaKdgcbdic6HZWo%mjr@phonecoop.coop> <5e7d91620706282112h5d7c6bcbo87be2efcb7b5e11e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070630013625.rj2ynacr9zgkoww8@brillgene.com> I have searched for beryl compile related issues. My system is pretty up to date and compiled with the latest. However both Compile beryl-core and beryl-manager fails with the following error: /bin/make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/Files/Compile/Sources/beryl-manager-0.2.1' Making all in src make[2]: Entering directory `/Files/Compile/Sources/beryl-manager-0.2.1/src' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/Files/Compile/Sources/beryl-manager-0.2.1/src' Making all in pixmaps make[2]: Entering directory `/Files/Compile/Sources/beryl-manager-0.2.1/pixmaps' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/Files/Compile/Sources/beryl-manager-0.2.1/pixmaps' Making all in po make[2]: Entering directory `/Files/Compile/Sources/beryl-manager-0.2.1/po' file=`echo ar_AR | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ && rm -f $file && -o $file ar_AR.po /bin/sh: line 1: -o: command not found make[2]: *** [ar_AR.gmo] Error 127 Any Ideas, if this has been seen before and I just couldn't find it sorry about the duplication Thanks, Anshuman From jonka750 at student.liu.se Sat Jun 30 06:19:35 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:19:35 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Beryl Compile failing: Linux 2.6.21 In-Reply-To: <20070630013625.rj2ynacr9zgkoww8@brillgene.com> References: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> <4684240C.7020803@charter.net> <4684289A.4000606@charter.net> <46844a41.XaaKdgcbdic6HZWo%mjr@phonecoop.coop> <5e7d91620706282112h5d7c6bcbo87be2efcb7b5e11e@mail.gmail.com> <20070630013625.rj2ynacr9zgkoww8@brillgene.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:36:25 +0200, wrote: > I have searched for beryl compile related issues. My system is pretty > up to date and compiled with the latest. > > However both Compile beryl-core and beryl-manager fails with the > following error: > /bin/make all-recursive [...] > make[2]: Entering directory `/Files/Compile/Sources/beryl-manager-0.2.1/po' > file=`echo ar_AR | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ > && rm -f $file && -o $file ar_AR.po > /bin/sh: line 1: -o: command not found > make[2]: *** [ar_AR.gmo] Error 127 > > > Any Ideas, if this has been seen before and I just couldn't find it > sorry about the duplication > You need to install gettext. I don't have time to fix this in the recipe right now, sp could you please file a bug about broken recipe in our bugtracker (http://bugs.gobolinux.org)? -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From mjr at phonecoop.coop Sat Jun 30 08:55:59 2007 From: mjr at phonecoop.coop (MJ Ray) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:55:59 +0100 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Rationales for patches in recipes? (was: Re: gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1) In-Reply-To: References: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> <4684240C.7020803@charter.net> <4684289A.4000606@charter.net> <46844a41.XaaKdgcbdic6HZWo%mjr@phonecoop.coop> <5e7d91620706282112h5d7c6bcbo87be2efcb7b5e11e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46861a9f.xc5mNTl2O+U1vQux%mjr@phonecoop.coop> "Carlo Calica" wrote: > On 6/28/07, hisham.hm at gmail.com wrote: > > On 6/28/07, MJ Ray wrote: > > > man patch says "patch tries to skip any leading garbage," so we could > > > just write it above the patch header... I'll try it next time I patch. > > > > Yes, I've done this a few times (you may find it in some recipes), > > it's a great way to document a patch. > > > > Is it obvious though? Also, it wouldn't match my recipe workflow. I > typically diff foo.orig foo >.../01-bar.patch when upgrading versions. > I would now need to use a temp file and some additional editing. Not only is it obvious, it seems fairly standardised. I'd not noticed, but that's actually what cvs diff, git and other VCs use. Why would you need a temp file and editing? Try something like ( echo Reason for patch ; diff -u foo{.orig,} ) >.../01-bar.patch It seems easy for tools to extract the reason with "sed -e '/^[-*]/q' 01-bar.patch" too. Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ From mjr at phonecoop.coop Sat Jun 30 08:59:58 2007 From: mjr at phonecoop.coop (MJ Ray) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:59:58 +0100 Subject: [gobolinux-users] sandboxintall broken? In-Reply-To: <200706292320.45279.k-marken@online.no> References: <200706292126.57933.k-marken@online.no> <200706292305.17718.k-marken@online.no> <200706292320.45279.k-marken@online.no> Message-ID: <46861b8e.TfezLjpQqeWC/CBm%mjr@phonecoop.coop> kenneth marken wrote: > On Friday 29 June 2007 23:14:53 Carlo Calica wrote: > > Use "MakeRecipe " to create recipe. then use "Compile > > Foo" to build it. > > well that was hardly documented by MakeRecipe... > > as in, it gives no indication that it can deduce the name and version of the > source in question in any of the examples given when one > enters "MakeRecipe -h". Don't worry - it so often gets the capitalisation wrong that it's better to specify it yourself ;-) Regards, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ From rubisher at scarlet.be Sat Jun 30 09:58:44 2007 From: rubisher at scarlet.be (rubisher) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:58:44 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Freshen: some more questions? In-Reply-To: References: <467EA33E.5070107@scarlet.be> Message-ID: <46862954.9090808@scarlet.be> Michael Homer wrote: > On 6/25/07, rubisher wrote: >> Hello *, >> >> Some time when I freshen by hand some pakages I got following additional questions: >> [snip] >> 43 mod: Settings/fonts/fonts.conf >> >> [A]uto-merge/[V]iew/[U]se new/[S]kip/[L]ist/[M]erge and edit/[SA]Skip all >> >> What's the best way to work? > That means that configuration file is different in the new version.You > need to decide what needs to happen for that particular file - if you > haven't changed that file, [U]se new is probably good here. [M] will > present you a semi-diff so you can see the changes, and save the > version you want Clear I will try those 2 options nest time. Thanks for advise, r. > -Michael > _______________________________________________ > gobolinux-users mailing list > gobolinux-users at lists.gobolinux.org > http://lists.gobolinux.org/mailman/listinfo/gobolinux-users > > From rubisher at scarlet.be Sat Jun 30 10:05:01 2007 From: rubisher at scarlet.be (rubisher) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:05:01 +0000 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to Start dsl connection at boot time? In-Reply-To: References: <466AE75D.8000509@scarlet.be> <51c95f840706091207j29bb09ber49331fdfcfd9916b@mail.gmail.com> <467E4B49.3040601@scarlet.be> Message-ID: <46862ACD.8060408@scarlet.be> Carlo Calica wrote: > On 6/24/07, rubisher wrote: >> Andy Feldman wrote: > > > >> This working fine to me, i.e. for a private adsl connection to only one isp. >> I don't know if it could exist somewhere installation with 2 or more adsl conection with various isp for redundency or flow >> balancing? And so in such case how to start each? (that's why I let interface in case somebody would need it?) >> > > Looks really good. General comment. The task looks like it assumes > a single interface. You're passed the interface name via $2. You > should use that and only start/stop the desired instance. > Yes this a special case: I suppose that most of users own only one [a]dsl connection with their favorite ISP. That said I will check how it's possible to configure multiple pppoe connections with severall ISP and then how to startup all a boot time. >>> If you do go this route you should consider adding the Task to the >>> RP-PPPoE recipe and submitting it (or just sending it to this list) so >>> others can take advantage of it. >>> >> I will check that when I will grag more knowledges on recipe. >> > > Just put the task in the recipes Resources/Tasks. Just like /Programs. > Ok. Thanks for your advise, r. > >> Tia for patience (I have less time to my Linux investigation then previous years :<( ) >> > > > From hisham.hm at gmail.com Sat Jun 30 17:57:11 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (hisham.hm at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:57:11 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e7d91620706301057l2c0075c1q7a50ae041999ff72@mail.gmail.com> On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: > On 6/29/07, Carlo Calica wrote: > > On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: > > > > > > My concern is that creating .Alternative in the current Links > > > subdirectories files feels dirty to me. What if some Program actually > > > has a file named .Alternative...? > > > > > > How about symlinks as follows: > > > > > > System/Links/Conflicts/ProgramA/lib/libfoo.so -> > > > System/Links/Conflicts/ProgramB/lib/libfoo.so -> > > > etc. > > > > > > Or alternatively: > > > > > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramA-1.0 -> > > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramB-3.4 -> > > > etc. > > > > > > > Conflicts is a better name than Alternatives. Matches existing > > nomenclature better. Not sure about turning each conflicting file > > into a directory. I REALLY like how the original package is named so > > you don't need to look where the symlink is pointing to. The previous > > proposals have an incrementing counter which I don't like. Long lived > > installs would have .Alternative13432424--libfoo.so which gets > > unwieldy fast. Reclaiming unused numbers is an option but adds > > complexity. > > How about: > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so--ProgramA-3.4 -> Yes, naming the program is better than the number. Keeping the extension in the end (as suggested elsewhere in this thread) isn't needed because (a) the file isn't being really used as a library, the symlink itself is merely data for the conflicts system, and (b) what's an extension in Unix, anyway (you don't want foo.tar--blabla.gz). I don't like the idea of separating files and conflicts into two trees, though. I'd rather have dot-files. If I'm in /S/L/Headers/curl/curl.h and I want to take a look at its conflicts, it feels a lot easier to do a ls .c than to navigate to ls /s/l/c/h/c/c (or something like that). The use of dot-files would keep fs view clean. -- Hisham From hisham.hm at gmail.com Sat Jun 30 18:04:19 2007 From: hisham.hm at gmail.com (hisham.hm at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:04:19 -0300 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Program dependency registering among each other In-Reply-To: References: <200706290238.10409.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282126j1c029414k8e27d562c02c50b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e7d91620706301104r1a8aa5d6v8b17958079590de3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/29/07, Carlo Calica wrote: > On 6/28/07, hisham.hm at gmail.com wrote: > > > > The overall idea that there should be a reverse check available for > > when removing programs is good. But an efficient implementation is > > something to be thought about carefully. > > > > It is possible to do an efficient global check of dependencies files: > > fgrep ZLib /Programs/*/*/Resources/Dependencies |cut -d / -f 3 |uniq > > First hit is a little slow but later hits are cached. Better to be > slow on this somewhat rare operation than walk the ENTIRE dep tree for > every change in /Programs. There are only hundreds of dependencies > files. Reading all the Dependencies files is what I wanted to avoid. I assumed that a dep tree for a program is an order of magnitude lower than the number of Dependencies files. Depending on the nature of operations though, walking the dep tree may be slower than reading all those files (not to mention my assumption may be wrong). In any case, that's why I mentioned care in implementation. But scanning all Dependencies files like you suggested is conceptually simpler and they are the primary source of information (avoiding an unnecessary level of indirection), so perhaps it's a better approach after all, regardless of performance. -- Hisham From carlo at calica.com Sat Jun 30 18:22:20 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:22:20 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Rationales for patches in recipes? (was: Re: gobohide not working - linux-2.6.21.1) In-Reply-To: <46861a9f.xc5mNTl2O+U1vQux%mjr@phonecoop.coop> References: <2c03f9590706241531x2663da1fldca649090ac227c3@mail.gmail.com> <2c03f9590706242106kb0eba96hf41d2fc6990339cd@mail.gmail.com> <4684240C.7020803@charter.net> <4684289A.4000606@charter.net> <46844a41.XaaKdgcbdic6HZWo%mjr@phonecoop.coop> <5e7d91620706282112h5d7c6bcbo87be2efcb7b5e11e@mail.gmail.com> <46861a9f.xc5mNTl2O+U1vQux%mjr@phonecoop.coop> Message-ID: On 6/30/07, MJ Ray wrote: > "Carlo Calica" wrote: > > On 6/28/07, hisham.hm at gmail.com wrote: > > > On 6/28/07, MJ Ray wrote: > > > > man patch says "patch tries to skip any leading garbage," so we could > > > > just write it above the patch header... I'll try it next time I patch. > > > > > > Yes, I've done this a few times (you may find it in some recipes), > > > it's a great way to document a patch. > > > > > > > Is it obvious though? Also, it wouldn't match my recipe workflow. I > > typically diff foo.orig foo >.../01-bar.patch when upgrading versions. > > I would now need to use a temp file and some additional editing. > > Not only is it obvious, it seems fairly standardised. I'd not > noticed, but that's actually what cvs diff, git and other VCs use. > ok > Why would you need a temp file and editing? Try something like > ( echo Reason for patch ; diff -u foo{.orig,} ) >.../01-bar.patch > I'm thinking when the rationale is the same and you need to regenerate the patch. You need to save the rationale somewhere and prepend it. > It seems easy for tools to extract the reason with "sed -e '/^[-*]/q' > 01-bar.patch" too. > -- Carlo J. Calica From jonka750 at student.liu.se Sat Jun 30 18:20:46 2007 From: jonka750 at student.liu.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:20:46 +0200 Subject: [gobolinux-users] Solution for situation when more programs provide same file In-Reply-To: <5e7d91620706301057l2c0075c1q7a50ae041999ff72@mail.gmail.com> References: <200706281333.15538.mig@1984.cz> <5e7d91620706282109x242d3698nba285b29ea822308@mail.gmail.com> <5e7d91620706301057l2c0075c1q7a50ae041999ff72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:57:11 +0200, wrote: > On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: >> On 6/29/07, Carlo Calica wrote: >> > On 6/29/07, mpb wrote: >> > > >> > > My concern is that creating .Alternative in the current Links >> > > subdirectories files feels dirty to me. What if some Program actually >> > > has a file named .Alternative...? >> > > >> > > How about symlinks as follows: >> > > >> > > System/Links/Conflicts/ProgramA/lib/libfoo.so -> >> > > System/Links/Conflicts/ProgramB/lib/libfoo.so -> >> > > etc. >> > > >> > > Or alternatively: >> > > >> > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramA-1.0 -> >> > > System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so/ProgramB-3.4 -> >> > > etc. >> > > >> > >> > Conflicts is a better name than Alternatives. Matches existing >> > nomenclature better. Not sure about turning each conflicting file >> > into a directory. I REALLY like how the original package is named so >> > you don't need to look where the symlink is pointing to. The previous >> > proposals have an incrementing counter which I don't like. Long lived >> > installs would have .Alternative13432424--libfoo.so which gets >> > unwieldy fast. Reclaiming unused numbers is an option but adds >> > complexity. >> >> How about: >> >> System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries/libfoo.so--ProgramA-3.4 -> > > Yes, naming the program is better than the number. Keeping the > extension in the end (as suggested elsewhere in this thread) isn't > needed because (a) the file isn't being really used as a library, the > symlink itself is merely data for the conflicts system, and (b) what's > an extension in Unix, anyway (you don't want foo.tar--blabla.gz). > > I don't like the idea of separating files and conflicts into two > trees, though. I'd rather have dot-files. If I'm in > /S/L/Headers/curl/curl.h and I want to take a look at its conflicts, > it feels a lot easier to do a ls .c than to navigate to ls > /s/l/c/h/c/c (or something like that). > The use of dot-files would keep fs view clean. > I too like the one suggestion from mpb that you selected above. Because I think that the most important part within this problem is the filename, therefore this should be the primary attribute. Then comes the originating application name and version. I do like a separate tree instead of dot-files, as dot-files has ability to become lost or forgotten about, as it's hidden from view almost all the time. Having a separate tree is easier, because then you'd know where to look. There are two approaches, what I can see. Either /System/Links/Conflicts/Libraries or /System/Links/Libraries/Conflicts. The latter is only to make it easier for Hisham to list conflicts (j/k), as he would only have to do ls Cc (unless there actually exists a file or directory that begins with a capital c). To be serious, this is the downside of the latter approach; there might be a file or directory called Conflicts inside an application's tree (very, very unlikely) and I don't like the idea of having the same named directory within every links directory. So my vote goes to the former. :) Listing conflicts isn't that much harder than with dot-files: ls ..Cc And is this really a real problem? How often would one want to list conflicts? Really? -- /Jonas Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From carlo at calica.com Sat Jun 30 18:26:08 2007 From: carlo at calica.com (Carlo Calica) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:26:08 -0700 Subject: [gobolinux-users] How to Start dsl connection at boot time? In-Reply-To: <46862ACD.8060408@scarlet.be> References: <466AE75D.8000509@scarlet.be> <51c95f840706091207j29bb09ber49331fdfcfd9916b@mail.gmail.com> <467E4B49.3040601@scarlet.be> <46862ACD.8060408@scarlet.be> Message-ID: On 6/30/07, rubisher wrote: > Carlo Calica wrote: > > > > Looks really good. General comment. The task looks like it assumes > > a single interface. You're passed the interface name via $2. You > > should use that and only start/stop the desired instance. > > > Yes this a special case: I suppose that most of users own only one [a]dsl connection with their favorite ISP. > That said I will check how it's possible to configure multiple pppoe connections with severall ISP and then how to startup > all a boot time. > Very true. This is exactly why I don't submit as many recipes as I should. StartTask are ok for personal use but not general enough for everyone. -- Carlo J. Calica