[gobolinux-users] Gobolinux Forum?

[Carlo Calica]

On 5/26/07, molfar <molfar.ua at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/26/07, Jonas Karlsson <jonka750 at student.liu.se> wrote:
> > Intergration with what? For something to be intergrated, it has to
> > have something to be intergrated with.
> > And why do you hope that more users use it, only because of intergration?
> Tough one. And why most people prefer Ubuntu to Slackware? Maybe
> because it is more accessible?
>

Are we talking about google or linux distros?  Regardless they're both
off topic.

> > So this discussion has turned into a pro/con discussion of google groups?
> > I thought it was about if/how we should adopt a forum. I do believe we
> > should have a forum, but I don't think that google groups is one. I'd
> > rather use a "real" forum.
> I'd rather too. However, I can't fight on every front and try to
> persuade everyone. Some compromises have to be made. I proposed the
> "forum" idea. Michael eagerly put his opinion on that topic. Then the
> idea of "middle ground" arose. But now you fight it too. Sometimes I
> wonder, why should I even bother? It is easy to leave the things as
> they are, but somehow I thought that the team that had the courage to
> break away with one of the most sacred *nix foundations would at least
> be more open-minded and liberal than it turns out to be.
>

Debates flow back and forth.  Google Groups was suggested, had a
little support, had some opposition.  In many ways its a kludge that
no one likes (for our purposes).

<snip: a bit about searching.  Searching archives seems easy to me

> > So a forum wouldn't be another service requiring a login? If gravatars
> Yes it would. But it would at least justify the hassle. And if the
> forum supported openid technology - then you wouldn't have to make
> another account.
>

Avatars are nice and all but really.  Who cares?  Other issues are
much more important.

> > Huh!? My question was how google groups were superiour to gmane and your
> > reply was "it[google groups] allows good moderation". As you haven't
> I can go and create a group at any moment without much hassle. I don't
> have to worry about hosting. I can change the outlook of my group with
> a few easy and intuitive clicks. The same with invitations and general
> moderation rules. This system is user-friendly. When I go to Gmane -
> that feeling abandons me. Am I being rational? Maybe not. But as an
> average user I can assure you that my brethren would feel the same.
> Take it or leave it.
>

Thats administration not moderation.  Gmane has NO admin interface.
It just ties into existing mailing lists.

> > Should still be on the main site, as the information is for the entire
> > GoboLinux community, not just the users of google groups.
> Forget it.
>
> > > - You can't sort messages in threaded view by date.
> > in blog view you can.
> But in threaded you can't. Thus It is a downside comparing to Google
> Groups. You asked for an argument)
>

Gmane has an NNTP interface.  This series of nit picking isn't helping.

> I am pretty certain there are, since you guys wouldn't stick to it so
> bellicosely otherwise.
>

Gmane ties into existing infrastructure.

<snip a series of unfriendly comments.  Come on guys>

In order to implement a forum we need to do it the right way.  That
means giving users on the forum a good experience.  If we can't do
that it does more harm than good.

-- 
Carlo J. Calica